Joerg Posted September 17, 2001 Share Posted September 17, 2001 Tanks are often mistaken for other, similar tanks in the game at longer range or low visibility. This can ruin your day when you see a "Tiger?", adjust your tactics to avoid and surround the beast, losing time and a few extra tanks while doing so and then it's only a lousy, rusting old Pz IV. Or you ask yourself how that Stug? can survive 3 hits from a Sherman 75 at 100m. I'd like to know if you know of any other pairs like - Tiger/Pz IV - StuG/Hetzer that are commonly mistaken for each other ? And does troop quality help identify them earlier ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest PondScum Posted September 17, 2001 Share Posted September 17, 2001 I've misidentified an armored car with a measly little 20mm gun as a Panther. Boy, my troops ran from that one... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
curih Posted September 17, 2001 Share Posted September 17, 2001 I lost a firefly once do to a PanzerIV? that turned out to be a Panther. CuriH Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenSplatton Posted September 17, 2001 Share Posted September 17, 2001 I find Hetzers are usually identified as "SP Guns" more than anything. In fact, whenever I see SP Gun?, I just assume it's a Hetzer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Manuel Posted September 17, 2001 Share Posted September 17, 2001 I've seen a Panther? that was a Jagdpanther. And I just paid the price for assuming that a Halftrack? was a 251/1, when it was a 20mm 250/9 that ate my prized Scout Car. I've also seen an M4A3(W)75mm Sherman as a Chaffee? Some crews are dumb though, like a regular 40mm Bofors crew who thought a PzIV was a Tiger...all the way up to about 80m. Maybe they're programmed to be poor at ID'ing tanks, and better at "ID'ing" F/B's? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shipmonkey25 Posted September 17, 2001 Share Posted September 17, 2001 The Allies have it easy, most of their misidentifications are Tiger?, so you end up treat the harmless panzer IV as a more deadly Tiger and the caution probably saves you several Shermans. The Germans, on the other hand , identified everything as Sherman? which can be anything from a M4 to a Jumbo or Firefly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagdwyrm Posted September 20, 2001 Share Posted September 20, 2001 I think the most common case of misidentification is the Pz 4 for a Tiger?..I have seen this many times myself and have had many opponents tell me the pz4 I had, had kept them at bay. I now sometimes consider this as a buying point for pz4s in poorer visibility games. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Kruger Posted September 20, 2001 Share Posted September 20, 2001 One of my opponents recently mis-IDed my Hetzer as an Assault Gun? at first... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmo Posted September 20, 2001 Share Posted September 20, 2001 Once a Chaffee? turned out to be a Pershing. A major drawback... JagdPanzer IV's are usually mis-ID'd as Stug's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerxes Posted September 20, 2001 Share Posted September 20, 2001 MisIDing vehicles and other units is a really great touch in CM. I've gotten burned badly thinking a nashorn was a hummel. Funny thing was, my priest seemed to know it before I did. "What are you doing? Fire at the Hummel! Don't run! Get back there!" :thunk: Crackle, hiss, "1st platoon reporting, that Nashorn just waxed our Priest, what were you thinking commander??" -marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Manuel Posted September 21, 2001 Share Posted September 21, 2001 Originally posted by xerxes: [QB]MisIDing vehicles and other units is a really great touch in CM. I've gotten burned badly thinking a nashorn was a hummel. Funny thing was, my priest seemed to know it before I did. "What are you doing? Fire at the Hummel! Don't run! Get back there!" Priest are rightfully 'fraidy-cats, yet sometimes too brave. I gave one orders to fast-move, with many waypoints, through and QUICKLY out of a PzIV's LOS. However, the Priest stopped dead in its tracks on sighting the PzIV, tried to duel it, and took 2 straight shots, brewing it up. If it had followed orders, it would have been in and out of LOS right quick. Court-martial to the survivors, I say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rleete Posted September 21, 2001 Share Posted September 21, 2001 Hey, Joerg, you were the one that insisted on heavy fog. Serves you right, having to chase my "lousy, rusting old Pz IV" all around. I never said I had a Tiger, I just said you'd find out. And you did. Next time you pick heavy fog, I will get a Tiger, just to mess with your head. I did just finished a game where I saw a Stug III, and it turned out to be a Hetzer. This in clear dry conditions at short ranges, except using green units. My opponent saw my vanilla Sherman as a M-10 throughout the game. So, evidently experience levels has a profound effect on spotting and identifying units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagdwyrm Posted September 21, 2001 Share Posted September 21, 2001 Am playing a game against brits right now where I have seen a Tank Destroyer? ...well the graphic is a wolverine but it is facing backwards with gun forward...Taking a wild guess that it is in Archer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ex Bellator Posted September 21, 2001 Share Posted September 21, 2001 Hehe, my favourite CM feature. In last weekend's TCP fest I sent my heroic Pz IV to swat a reported impudent Stuart, only to get it vapourised when it turned out to be a Sherman on closer inspection. Infuriating, funny and a brilliant feature. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerxes Posted September 21, 2001 Share Posted September 21, 2001 It's also interesting that the graphical depiction appears to be more accurate than the label (as Jagdwyrm saw). Is this a consistent effect? If it is I better start doing some identification training. -marc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soddball Posted September 21, 2001 Share Posted September 21, 2001 A big help when trying to identify vehicles is the sound from the weapon. Tigers and Panthers, for example, have very distinctive sounds. This can help you correctly identify a unit even when your soldiers are being thick as two short, fat planks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewmeister Posted September 21, 2001 Share Posted September 21, 2001 When a target is ID as say Tiger? I find it helpful to also take into consideration the context in which the ID was made. For example: I was just recently playing a scenario that had my Stuarts ID Tigers? all over the place but I noticed that the position and movement of the Tiger was not quite what it should be doing in those circumstances. It was scurrying around in scattered trees moving between hiding spots instead of moving down the nearby roads and clearing my pesky little Stuarts out of the way, which had been hammering away at approaching halftracks. Because of this I had my Stuarts stick around and wait behind some buildings for a good shot and sure enough they began to knockout a couple of those Tigers? from side and front shots. They ended up taking out what turned out to be 4 PzIVs and and a couple of StuGs. Lesson learned is don't always believe what the ID says but always leave yourself plenty of room to bug out of there just in case. ps. In my case the graphical depiction looked just like a Tiger but after they were knocked out they looked like a PzIV or StuG but not yet positively identified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElGuapo Posted September 27, 2001 Share Posted September 27, 2001 A friend of mine and I always used to have a running joke about mis-identification. Seeing as the JadgTiger is probably the most overpriced, expensive, and therefore most unused German tank (but still you have to fear that 120 mm gun and 250 mm frontal armor), we would always say "see my JadgTiger yet?" when the other guy id'd a Tiger?. One time in a big battle, I heard this enormous cannon coming from the far eastern side of the map. He kept joking about his JadgTiger, me ignoring it. Of course, it turned out he HAD bought Jadg, and I mis-id'd it the whole game. The sound, however, made me wonder. It took him the entire game to CRAWL that thing over to the battle, proving how worthless that AFV is. I'm sure he bought it just to take advantage of the running joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Harrison Posted September 27, 2001 Share Posted September 27, 2001 i dont think i have ever correctly ID'd a mark IV tank as a mark IV tank! they seem to always wear a tiger? mask. they also commonly ID any tank as the panther. when you look at history, this was a reality. the AT gun crews and tank crews were scarred to death of the tiger and panther and would almost see things very often! i saw the numbers posted before about how common this was, but BTS got this little point right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGTHenry Posted September 28, 2001 Share Posted September 28, 2001 I have often misidentified enemy tank units but I have learned to expect the worst so as not to lose units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Kruger Posted October 1, 2001 Share Posted October 1, 2001 One of my opponents once mis-IDed one of my Marders as an Assault Gun? as well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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