Col Deadmarsh Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 I couldn't believe what I saw... I had purposely and very carefully put my halftrack in a position where it could fire on the enemy infantry while still maintaining an escape route if another enemy vehicle came along. Well, sure enough my German opponent moved his tank from behind a building and starts firing the mg. He never fired the main gun as the turrett was still swinging around to get a bead on me but the lone fire from the mg alone was enough to make my regular halftrack crew abandon the vehicle and dive for cover. Can you believe this? They were 200 or so meters away with an escape route and they never bothered to try to escape. None of the crew sustained injuries from the mg...they just bailed. I guess I can chalk this up to one of those random events you sometimes see. Sometimes your soldiers will just flat out let you down.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMplayer Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 If the bullets were penetrating the vehicle, making it a ticklish proposition to drive the thing, they might very well do just that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 US Halftracks were called Purple Heart Boxes (according to Karl Malden, anyway) because MGs penetrated them so easily. Do a search for MG penetration, this has been discussed a lot - US halftracks were not proof against close range German MG fire. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prinz Eugen Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 Should the MG be fired from a higher position than the HT, then I'd say a stream of bullets will prove to be more than a little nuisance for the crew of that opentopped vehicle... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wreck Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 German infantry HMGs can also take out American halftracks when closer than about 200m. It is not very common, but it does happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 I didn't know either that a crew can run away without taking casualties or at least damage to the vehicle. I suppose the key here is, the crew just decided that a Panzer was no good for them and so they rushed away. Maybe not very reasonably. Was the halftrack green or something? Dorosh, 200 meters hardly can be defined as "close range". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John D Salt Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 Originally posted by Sergei: [snips] Dorosh, 200 meters hardly can be defined as "close range".Since it's 100 metres short of the battlesight range on the dear old SLR, I rather think it can. It would be hard not to count it as "close range" for anything other than thrown or projected grenades or weapons firing pistol bullets. All the best, John. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 Originally posted by Sergei: I didn't know either that a crew can run away without taking casualties or at least damage to the vehicle. I suppose the key here is, the crew just decided that a Panzer was no good for them and so they rushed away. Maybe not very reasonably. Was the halftrack green or something? Dorosh, 200 meters hardly can be defined as "close range".What John said. Also, I don't have the penetration specs near to hand, but is there really a difference in MG penetrating power on armour at 50 metres as opposed to 200 metres? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightningWar Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 Try having 2 squads routed from rifle fire. Sure it happens but from 930 meters? WTF! -LW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParaBellum Posted August 16, 2002 Share Posted August 16, 2002 Originally posted by LightningWar: Try having 2 squads routed from rifle fire. Sure it happens but from 930 meters? WTF! -LWWhat are you talking about? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juju Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 Originally posted by LightningWar: Try having 2 squads routed from rifle fire. Sure it happens but from 930 meters? WTF! -LWRifles don't fire at that range in CM... I'm pretty sure of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 Myths of the omnipotent M3A1: http://thforums.com/CMBO/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=34 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno Weiss Posted August 17, 2002 Share Posted August 17, 2002 Well since I'm the culprit... I can confirm the observation, the Pz.Kw.V was distracted by distant enemy infantry while it was moving behind the building, when it turned the corner and made the halftrack it began swinging the turret around from the infantry target toward the M5 and fired its hull MG. Now, I'm not sure how much this might have figured into it, but the Pz.Kw.V had a slight elevation advantage. Not a lot, but perhaps sufficient to allow the MG stream to hit the M5 above the forward armor line and into the compartment. Also, psychologically the sudden appearance of the Pz.Kw.V, and the M5 crew not really having enough time to back out of harms way before that long barrel was going to draw a bead on it might have played into the moral level of the halftrack crew also. Not sure how the CM AI calculates that precisely. Dunno how you feel about it, but I suppose if I were in an M5 and a Panther burst out from behind a building firing an MG at me or maybe into my vehicle and there wasn't enough time to back away, I'd probably high tail it over the side also. As the ole saying goes. Discretion is the better part of valor. I figure that much is fairly realistic. The part that is the game is, in reality the Panther would have put a shell into the M5 even with the crew bailing out. [ August 17, 2002, 01:31 AM: Message edited by: Bruno Weiss ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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