LightningWar

I didnt have the time to read all 11 pages but one thing that is interesting about a possible Soviet Invasion is what would the British and Americans do if it happened in 1943 and the Soviets were successful in pushing the Germans around? I dont think we were in a position to invade Western Europe and could we possibly broker a peace with the Nazi regime and fight alongside them? Or would we allow the Soviets to take up all of Europe and put up an Iron Curtain? Would we stand for that? Especially if France changed occupiers from Nazi to Communist? These topics are interesting and fun to dicuss because of the whatif mentality. And I apologize if this topic was brought up earlier in this thread. I dont have the time to sit down and read 11 pages

I am also really interested in this. In WWII things were pretty uncoordinated and the muntions used werent terribly accurate. But on the US side of things will the US player have the ability to pin-point muntions with a spotter?

You know CMBO ans CMBB actually make pretty good urban warfare simulators IMO. I created a map in CMBO that had a city environment that had been taken over by insurgents. The Americans all had Pershings and some light armored trucks to simulate bradleys. The scenario went like this. The Americans were in a farm field they setup as a base and were waiting orders to retake the city. They got word a high level AQ leader is in the city and they need to move to take the city right away. They move in and playing the force of the insurgents were green volkstrum with a plethora of Panzershreks, LMGs, and light armor trucks to simulate the trucks with machine guns. The American force probably amounted to a battalion with 10 tanks and 10 armor trucks. The insurgents amounted to ~2000 poorly trained fighters. The simulation was interesting as you got into the city and the Allied forces bogged down. We probably ended up losing 3 tanks outright, and 2 tanks lost their gun. Armored trucks got beat up pretty bad as well. But in the end you were able to subdue the enemy and retake the city. The KIA ended up being very similar to what you hear in the field. About 20-25:1. I think they ended up killing about 750 insurgents, injuring 1000. The others ran off into the sunset to fight another day. The Americans lost about 30 men with about 85 injured for a total of 115 CAS. Americans were put on Vet status with a few regular units mixed in.

I used to play on a ladder where the best player would push your tanks around with his infantry. The guy was truely a great player. I think he ended up playing for a couple of years and his record was something like 212-3.

This is one of the biggest things I am looking forward to seeing BF solve. It seems pretty unrealistic to have two battalions of Americans and Syrians facing off and the Syrians doing much more than slowing the Americans down. Are they modeling precision munitions as well? I can see different scenarion victory conditions as a way to offset the match of technical and training mismatches between the forces. Basically the only way Americans win is if they capture the flag. Syrians can claim moral victories at any point.

Brilliant

Kind of ironic if you think.

I believe they are coming out with their expansion. Updated graphics and gameplay. I played it for the trial period but the graphics were horrible and the game play well gamey. They dont seem to have got past the early war period which sucks IMO.

Hopefully better imo

If it is Market Garden could we see a release on the 17th of Sept?

I know some people hate Steam but honestly it has been great to me. It is also nice to be able to simply reinstall without having to search for a CD. Online distribution isnt a bad option imo.

In CMx1 one thing I wished were included was the ability for QBs between the same forces. For instance Axis vs Axis. I understand this is something that goes against the abosolute realism of the game. But for Massive Multiplayer operational level games run by a game master it could really open up the possibilities.

My WoW factor on CMBO came in Aug of 2000. I read about CMBO in some magazine and decided to download the demo. I play the Germans on some map with a hill and the allies are attacking. I setup my 105s on top of the hill. They take aim at some infantry and I zoom in on the gun to see it fire. I hear the little germans saying something and fully expect the round to go off. But there was a longer than expected delay and all of a sudden "BOOOOM" both fire within a half second of each other and I jump out of my seat about 6 inches as I watch the shell arc across the map and hit some incomming infantry. Right there I was hooked.

Meeting engagement cant remember the point. I think it was 2000 points. I was Germans enemy was British. Moved 2 companies, a PZIV(70), a hetzer through a large open field to the left of a large town. Moved 4 companies and a PVIV towards the town. Town was setup on the right side of the map. Enemy made the mistake of revealing his tanks shooting at my infantry. I took care of him at range with my TDs. 2 dead British Sherman 76s and my force making good headway. While this is happening he is rushing the town with WASPS burning the place up. I drop 2 spotters worth of 120s into the place and kill 4 of the buggers and route 2 toons. By this time I am closing in towards the back of the town and boxing him in. I have 2 companies behind 3 large buildings. By this time I have shot up his lone AT gun which happened to disable the gun on my hetzer. I rush the last remaining building he has in the town and get cut down in the road. And entire company is cut down in the streets. All I had to do is hold the flags which I already owned and would of won. Of course I have to go. So I get an email the next day demanding I recieve a minor loss. His reasoning is he killed a company and disabled the gun. Dont forget I had him boxed into a small corner on the map, shot up a lot of his infantry, I still have 2 intact companies and 2 weathered companies, and he had no armor left. I never even replied and let him suckle the sweat off my nutz. He sent a few nasty emails but didnt bother.

JP-4 is more like jet fuel or Kerosene. But doesnt the military use JP-8? LW

I always love playing the mind game. When arty is falling harmlessly into some woods Ill give the "Ouchy, what is that 150mm?". Then they continue to pound and area and waste valuable arty.

What is a problem with having a camera that is sitting around for a mere 5-7 years? I have heard of photo development places developing film that was from the 1920\30s now. Film once exposed can last a long time. I even have pictures from highschool(7 years) I have not developed yet. And as for the 100. It could be any explanation. 1. Grampas memory thought it was more than it was 2. The cameras was in a case with used film rolls 3. There was a camera that was capable of using film that allows for 100 exposures per roll. Personally I would love to see the pictures. If this is true. This is a great find. LW

5 Years?

If this is gamey. Then Hitlers Blitz was just plain gamey. Luckily the allies didnt think this way and quit

But couldnt you increase the speed of the projectile to overcome in size issues it may have in regards to the thickness of the armor? Gen

I always wanted the ability to have two allied or 2 axis player fight each other. These are QBs which are not historical and would be great to allow for two people to fight on the same side. Not to mention it would work out great for a multi-player version I have been toying with LW

Depends on the setting I suppose. If it were in the desert or the Steepes of Russia. Complete turkey shoot. If it was at night. Turkey shoot for the modern tanks. I was going to say it would be a closer match in a Wester Europe scene at day. But then remembered the M1s are probably more manueverable than the KTs. I would think a Panther with an upgraded gun could be interesting. Or one of the next revisions of the Panthers or E series tanks. LW

I was also surprised at the relatively low civilian casualties on the Japanese side. I could of sworn when they fire bombed cities like Tokyo. A lot more civs perished. LW

The numbers are staggering for most Americans. We had a hard time coming to grips with 57,000 or so dead in Vietnam. I remember reading about a huge operation which stalled the Moscow operation by a month or so. I think it was Kharkov. But not positive. Anyways the Germans enveloped I think 2-3 full Soviet armies and decimated nearly 650,000 troops. That is in 1-2 months. The Eastern Front was truely a different war IMO. You had battles where literally millions of men, thousands of tanks were going at it. When I think of the Eastern Front. I think of gigantic battles for humanity. I get pictures of huge industrial complexes pumping out huge tanks. Large formations of troops all duking it out. Eastern Front was the major theater of WWII IMO. LW

Does anyone know what the hell we (the US) was thinking when we designed the Sherman? Did we have any concept of the threat posed by German tanks? I just find it strange that the US which always seemed to place more emphasis on men then material would take such a Russian view of it's tanks. Expecting to have to use 5 Shermans to engage one Panther and expecting to lose 3 to 4 of the Shermans in the process. Didnt the Sherman come out in like 1940-41? They probably designed it to go up against a PZIV or T-34. But then they never did any upgrading to the design until the Germans started lighting them up by the dozens. I think the M-26 was probably the Tiger counter the Americans needed. But it showed up late and had mechanical issues. Not even sure how much they pushed Tank design after the war. Didnt they still use the Sherman in Korea? And it performed rather well against the T-34s I believe.