What Troops are these?

[Crinius]

Are these bullet proof vests? And what kind of troops are these?

http://rkka.ru/uniform/files/arm3.htm

[General Bolt]

Definitely NOT bullet proof vests.

They were known as "ЧЕРЕПАХОВЫЙ" troops or turtle troops. When these units were on grassy or muddy hills they would assault the German lines by sliding down the hill on their bellies. There was also a winterized version for snowy terrain. The white variant was much more widely distributed. A winterized mod will be posted at CMMODS soon.

[Shmavis]

Originally posted by General Colt:

Definitely NOT bullet proof vests.

They were known as "ЧЕРЕПАХОВЫЙ" troops or turtle troops. When these units were on grassy or muddy hills they would assault the German lines by sliding down the hill on their bellies. There was also a winterized version for snowy terrain. The white variant was much more widely distributed. A winterized mod will be posted at CMMODS soon.

Ha ha! The Soviets never disappoint.

[Crinius]

Originally posted by General Colt:

When these units were on grassy or muddy hills they would assault the German lines by sliding down the hill on their bellies.

You must be joking eh?? No??

[General Bolt]

Originally posted by Crinius:

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by General Colt:

When these units were on grassy or muddy hills they would assault the German lines by sliding down the hill on their bellies.

You must be joking eh?? No?? </font>

[securityguard]

Are these guys modeled in CM? I want to slide them down steep contours.

[eichenbaum]

Originally posted by securityguard:

Are these guys modeled in CM? I want to slide them down steep contours.

No sorry, for a Teenage Mutant Turtles Ninja game I have to refer you to this site:

http://www.konami.com/gs/mutantmelee/

MMMMuuaaahhhahahaha ... sorry...

Serious.... Uniforms can be ordered from the net:

[Earl Grey]

My guess: metal cuirass on a Soviet paaratrooper... I think they used it like Gertman stormtroopers in WW1 - I might be mistaken, though. Don´t know if they are bullet proof, but should offer quite a bit of protection for a soldier.

[Kingfish]

It's the armored bib for the space lobsters of doom scenario.

[mike8g]

This is what an online-translation service says:

Headline:

The fighter of engineering-assault parts RVGK

Pic1:

Guardsmen-shturmoviki of 1-st SHISBr. 1-st Belarus front, summer 1944

Pic2:

Guards the senior sergeant Bogotnikov, 1-st Belarus front, summer 1944

[Crinius]

BTW there are a lot of interesting uniforms on this site.

http://rkka.ru/uniform/

[Bonxa]

We just had a long discussion on those armored pioneers over at the CMMC2 forums. I'll check if some of the information dug up can be released to the public.

The short story is that those troops are assault engineers specialized in taking out heavily fortified defences. :cool:

[David I]

Nothing strikes the fear of God in a Space Lobster like the sight of a human in an armored bib clutching a claw cracker and one of those cute little forks. Unless of course it's the smell of melted butter and lemon.

DavidI

BTW - Great response General Colt!

[Sergei]

Originally posted by David I:

Unless of course it's the smell of melted butter and lemon.

Because it smells like victory!

Remember, better red boiled alive than dead!

[rum]

Originally posted by Crinius:

Are these bullet proof vests? And what kind of troops are these?

http://rkka.ru/uniform/files/arm3.htm

These are "ShISBr". "Shturmovie Inzhenernye-Sapernye Brigady".

Closest terms are "Assault Engineers" or "Sturmpioneeren".

An assault team, trained to use SMG, high explosives, flamethrowers and to perform assaults onto heavy fortification/defended buidings in cityfights. They were also trained in the melee combat.

Another group of pics is here:

http://fortress.vif2.ru/biblio/shisbr/

The armor plate protecting forward body, shown at the photo, had different feeling among this troops.

Those who fought at the open field, strongly disliked it and tend not to use it.

Those who fought in the cities, liked it and used it.

[Crinius]

Originally posted by rum:

</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Crinius:

Are these bullet proof vests? And what kind of troops are these?

http://rkka.ru/uniform/files/arm3.htm

These are "ShISBr". "Shturmovie Inzhenernye-Sapernye Brigady".

Closest terms are "Assault Engineers" or "Sturmpioneeren".

An assault team, trained to use SMG, high explosives, flamethrowers and to perform assaults onto heavy fortification/defended buidings in cityfights. They were also trained in the melee combat.

Another group of pics is here:

http://fortress.vif2.ru/biblio/shisbr/

The armor plate protecting forward body, shown at the photo, had different feeling among this troops.

Those who fought at the open field, strongly disliked it and tend not to use it.

Those who fought in the cities, liked it and used it. </font>

[Brent Pollock]

I wouldn't want to be wearing that outfit for hand-to-hand comabt - seems like it would slow you down too much.

Originally posted by rum:

[some snippage by Brent] They were also trained in the melee combat.

Those who fought at the open field, strongly disliked it and tend not to use it.

Those who fought in the cities, liked it and used it. [/QB]

[Bonxa]

Here's a more detailed account of the assault pioneers with some more pictures as well.

http://www.geocities.com/rf_mikael/mainframe.html

Look under articles for "Soviet Body Armor in WWII".

So, why aren't they in CMBB? :confused:

[juan_gigante]

I would rather wear it in close range city fighting than while I'm running across the bare steppe. But I think it would be more effective at long range. After all, at close range, a bullet would still have enough power to punch through the armor, and it wouldn't protect against being hit in the head with a rifle butt. Whereas at long range, you're more likely to get hit with shrapnel, which I would imagine the armor could handle better.

[dieseltaylor]

I think you would expect a far higher number of ricochets in a city setting so I can see why it might be useful for that. Also it may have the ability to protect against bladed weapons, and perhaps most importantly if I wish to fling myself to the ground quickly I do not wish to check for rubble and glass. A punctured lung or broken ribs being more likely than when throwing yourself onto vegetation : )