eichenbaum Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 <h1>Topic Closed</h1> [ August 17, 2003, 01:40 PM: Message edited by: eichenbaum ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ligur Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 Ulberegeaelurff I want damage skins for forest and also require properly modelled mine dogs and I'm tired of the houses where soldiers just run through the WALLS i mean how realistic is that they make holes in walls pretty fast and then And 15 year old bicycle troopers with shcreks in -45 who are sent to do their duty to the fatherland. also u must be able to capture bicycles and use them on ur troops to move along roads faster and mountain bikes are fast in forest downhill too that would be expensive unit tho finns should have combat reindeer i mean what kind of a ww2 simulation r these guyz making anyway [/jk] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJK Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 Bulldozers? Why? A battle is maybe 30 min to an hour or so of action, what are you going to build with a bulldozer? Just curious.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eichenbaum Posted August 14, 2003 Author Share Posted August 14, 2003 Originally posted by GJK: Bulldozers? Why? A battle is maybe 30 min to an hour or so of action, what are you going to build with a bulldozer? Just curious.... Removing roadblocks ? If you have a 2 hour operation why not pionieren with their equipment ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beta1 Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 Wouldnt mind on map indirect fire (from guns) but it would probably unbalance the game too much. AT obstacles can already be aproximated by roadblocks but I guess they would look nice. Train stations would be cool but only as another building type. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusually Wooden Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 Yes bicycles would be a realistic touch,I knew an elderly lady last year from a village just outside Tallinn and eagerly asked her to tell me what it was like when the panzers rolled through in 1941 en route for Leningrad. "Oh,we never saw any tanks,only a few Germans on bicycles" she replied... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eichenbaum Posted August 14, 2003 Author Share Posted August 14, 2003 Unusually Wooden : Yes bicycles would be a realistic touch,I knew an elderly lady last year from a village just outside Tallinn and eagerly asked her to tell me what it was like when the panzers rolled through in 1941 en route for Leningrad."Oh,we never saw any tanks,only a few Germans on bicycles" she replied... Certainly. I live in the Netherlands. The Germans collected every available bicycle for war purposes. It's still folklore in the Netherlands to say to a German : "Hé du, gib mir meinen fahrrad zurruck !" (Hey you, give back my bicycle!) Holland is famous for it's bicycles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJK Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 Originally posted by eichenbaum: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by GJK: Bulldozers? Why? A battle is maybe 30 min to an hour or so of action, what are you going to build with a bulldozer? Just curious.... Removing roadblocks ? If you have a 2 hour operation why not pionieren with their equipment ? </font> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew Kulin Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 Add road/railway crossings to the list too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWB Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 While some things are lacking, I remind people: get creative with the tools you have. Lots can be done with a little imagination. Horses, Motorcycles, ByciclesWere generally not used in frontline combat. They also present a few modeling problems, namely CM models individual vehicles but not individual soldiers, making it hard to put people on bikes/horses. Then there is that equine AI issue. How exactly does a horse respond to artillery fire? AT barriersTry rough terrain. Works like a charm and has the proper simulation aspects--imapssible to vehicles, good cover for infantry. BulldozersIt might be cool if roadblocks would clear between battles, but we dont need to model dozers. AFAIK they were rather uncommon anyhow. Things taht would be cool and helpful in this category, however, would be mine clearing tanks. Closed TrucksPoint being? A truck is a truck is a truck. Train StationI would not mind a few new building types myself, but train stations can be done with a few factory tiles next to the tracks . . . 2 meters tall stone wallsTall stone walls would be cool, no arguments there. Telephone polesBasically a graphical fourish. Can be done with road in scattered trees. Stairs for slopesMinor detail on 20m square tiles . . . Dirt tilesCould be neat. How are they different from clear in terms of ingame effect? Abby's / CloistersCan't this be done with a Church and a few buildings? Dropping ParatroopsVery rare were paratroops dropped into a tactical battle (I can only think of 2--Crete and Market Garden) as it raged. In any case, it can be done using split-up reinforcements and starting the troops paniced. On map artilleryMost maps are too short for the minimium range of most guns. And, if they were deployed indirect, give a spotter even if the guns were on the map. If they were used for DF use the guns. Bottom line: Be creative. WWB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eichenbaum Posted August 14, 2003 Author Share Posted August 14, 2003 Sherman Bulldozer with armor Why ? Cos they're boyz toyz ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undead reindeer cavalry Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 Originally posted by Ligur: finns should have combat reindeer i mean what kind of a ww2 simulation r these guyz making anyway uh, UNDEAD combat reindeer actually. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzermartin Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 I'd like to see more variety in 3d models of buildings in CM series. Not just boxes with roofs. Telephone poles would be a cool decorative addition too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eichenbaum Posted August 14, 2003 Author Share Posted August 14, 2003 Some say that horsers & bicycles weren't common in the WWII frontlines. Now I had to find some proof. Only after 5 minutes of searching in my library I have found a nice poster in a Signal magazine (June 1942). <center> Now, are these guys going to their picknick or what ? </center> ps. Now I'm stunned my self... looking closely I can see horses, bicycles, motorcycles and closed trucks ! I know this is not a combat situation but WWII wasn't always fought with nice prepared battles. [ August 14, 2003, 11:33 AM: Message edited by: eichenbaum ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tha_Field_Marshall Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 I doubt very much that bicycles and horses were rode into combat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWB Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 Hmm, looks like a long road march to me. WWB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eichenbaum Posted August 14, 2003 Author Share Posted August 14, 2003 Ever encountered a PAK gun in CM ? ( Scan by www.eichenbaum.org ) I have showed you pictures of Germans. The Russians had more horses then trucks. And with what should cavalry move on the battlefield ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWB Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 Hmm, looks like the horses showed up after the shooting had stopped. And they definitely were not pushing around that 37mm ATG under fire. WWII era cavalry, aside from a famous incident or two, fought dismounted. Basically light infantry with significant cross-country mobility advantages. And you still have not solved the problem of putting a 10 man squad on 10 separate horses nor written an accurate AI for horses . . . WWB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonS Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 their feet. Horses get them to the battlefield. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanachai Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 Amazing. The 'I want horsies' crowd is at it again. No matter how many times the uselessness of horses in actual combat is explained, the fact that these valuable transport elements were generally moved out of harms way once the shooting began, and the fact that modeling them in the game would be, if not impossible, at least ridiculous, the demand for them is unending. I can only imagine the childhood traumas and disappointments of 'no pony under the Xmas tree' that have given rise to this enduring, if wrong-headed, demand. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lars Posted August 14, 2003 Share Posted August 14, 2003 Originally posted by Seanachai: Amazing. The 'I want horsies' crowd is at it again. No matter how many times the uselessness of horses in actual combat is explained, the fact that these valuable transport elements were generally moved out of harms way once the shooting began, and the fact that modeling them in the game would be, if not impossible, at least ridiculous, the demand for them is unending. I can only imagine the childhood traumas and disappointments of 'no pony under the Xmas tree' that have given rise to this enduring, if wrong-headed, demand. That's going to leave a mark... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Isenberg Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 could somebody please mod a truck into a group of horses a kublewagon into a pair of motorcycles for these people then they could buy them as conscripts/greens just to see them run when the shooting starts of course they will need dead versions of them too Beast who understands why they wheren't included and agrees Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Other Means Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 this also probably been done to death, but shouldn't roadblocks (yes i'm talking to YOU Yann) be destructable by HE chuckers? and while we're at it, can i we ninjas? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denwad Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 I thought the Stug 33 B looked different, as did the Grille. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pak40 Posted August 15, 2003 Share Posted August 15, 2003 I'm afraid Motorcycles and bicycles will be used for a gamey recon purpose by a lot of players the same way jeeps have been used. I don't see any need for them in CM because they were basically used for messenger service and transporting troops while NOT in a combat situation. (oh yea, I almost forgot, they were also used by escaping POWs to try to get to Switzerland ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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