RobVarak Posted June 12, 2000 Share Posted June 12, 2000 A few months ago some folks discussed putting together a list of suggested reading for background on CM. I am willing to host the final list (ideally broken down by topic, or at least by West Front/East Front/PTO etc.) on my web page. I would appreciate it if anyone who's been working on this project could drop me an email. If we can get at least a skeletal list up soon, it will help with the influx of questions that will arise when the game is released. ------------------ Rob Varak Editor Site on Sound: The Web's Premier Site For Musical Discussion www.siteonsound.com [This message has been edited by RobVarak (edited 06-12-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Jenkins Posted June 12, 2000 Share Posted June 12, 2000 The Forgotten Soldier (WARNING: GRAPHIC) Death Traps Roll Me Over Soldat Panzer Commander Panzer Leader Infantry Attacks War As I Knew It Band of Brothers D-Day Seven Roads to Hell If You Survive Handbook to German Military Forces Lost Victories Steel Inferno ------------------ It's always the same thing with people I meet. "Leave me alone." "Go away." "Stop doing that." "Stop the bleeding." "I want my fingers back." The complaints never stop. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Germanboy Posted June 12, 2000 Share Posted June 12, 2000 Patrick Delaforce: 'The Fighting Wessex Wyverns' & 'The Polar Bears' Ken Tout: 'Tank!' & 'A fine night for tanks' Ellis: 'Victory in the West' Vol. I & II Hastings: 'Overlord' MacDonald: 'Company Commander' Would second: Roll Me Over Steel Inferno Haven't read the rest on the list. ------------------ Andreas The powers of accurate perception are often called cynicism by those who do not possess them. (forgot who said it) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holman Posted June 12, 2000 Share Posted June 12, 2000 Add this one: Michael Doubler, "Closing with the Enemy: How GIs Fought the War in Europe" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bullethead Posted June 13, 2000 Share Posted June 13, 2000 Whoops, already mentioned [This message has been edited by Bullethead (edited 06-12-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark IV Posted June 13, 2000 Share Posted June 13, 2000 MacDonald again, "A Time for Trumpets". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TURBO Posted June 13, 2000 Share Posted June 13, 2000 "AGAINST THE PANZERS" Allyn Vannoy Jay Karamales Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvt_ryan Posted June 13, 2000 Share Posted June 13, 2000 Can Someone tell me a good book from the view point of the Germans? I recommend the following: "Half a Wing, Three Engines, and a Prayer" by Brian D. O'Neill A little on the technical side and very in depth on details about the 303rd bomb group "Currahee!" and "The Road to Arnhem" by Donald S. Burgett Both very good Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamo Posted June 13, 2000 Share Posted June 13, 2000 Fighting in Hell: The German Generals speak Front soldaten -Fritz Loyalty Is My Honor -Williamson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
109 Gustav Posted June 13, 2000 Share Posted June 13, 2000 The Bitter Woods. It's on the Battle of the Bulge, and it has a ton of batallion-size scenerios I can't wait to make with the CM level editor. Will Trois Ponts be simulated? If not, I'm definitely doing that. D-Day. Sure, its "before overlord," not beyond, but there's still a few scenerios I want to model, like the Rangers on Pointe du Hocke (sp?) This is my last post for three months, while I go commercial fishing. All you lucky dogs, you get CM while its first released. This message board has been great, and I'll miss all of you. ------------------ There is nothing certain about war except that one side won't win. -Ian Hamilton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dumbo Posted June 13, 2000 Share Posted June 13, 2000 A fine list thanks I will get stuck into those. Good luck fishing Gustav _dumbo "Theres always killing in war; otherwise it wouldnt be war, just a nasty argument with some pushing and shoving." Black adder Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffRaider Posted June 13, 2000 Share Posted June 13, 2000 Citizen Soldiers- Ambrose Beyond the Beachhead- Balkoski Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Fox Posted June 13, 2000 Share Posted June 13, 2000 http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/Forum1/HTML/002335.html http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/Forum1/HTML/003381.html http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/Forum1/HTML/001859.html http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/Forum1/HTML/000516.html http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/Forum1/HTML/001652.html http://www.battlefront.com/discuss/Forum1/HTML/000909.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Private Pike Posted June 13, 2000 Share Posted June 13, 2000 For a German commanders view of the Eastern front how about: Mellenthin, F.W. Von. Panzer battles : a study of the employment of armor in the Second World War / edited by L.C.F. Turner; translated by H. Betzler. Norman : University of Oklahoma Press, 1956. Anyone mentioned : Beevor, Antony, 1946, Stalingrad. New York : Viking, 1998 sorry about the format it came straight out of the library catalogue at work. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leftwing66 Posted June 13, 2000 Share Posted June 13, 2000 This is a great Idea! I have often wanted to post asking for recommended reading, and have held off for fear of the shout "Search!" I would like to propose a format for posting a reading suggestion, to help organize the resulting list, and make it more usefull. I suggest that when people post a book, list as much of the following as you can. -Title -Author -ISBN -Some keywords to describe what aspects of the game this applies to -Description -Why you liked the book, what you thought it did well, why someone interested in CM should read it. For example, my post Strategy B.H. Liddell Hart ISBN: 0452010713 Keywords: Theory, Strategy, Grand Strategy, Maneuver, WWII Description - This is often cited as the definitive text on the theory of mobile warfare. Hart takes on a grand survey of warfare through the centuries to illustrate his theory of the "Indirect Approach," which is consists of successfully using deception, maneuver, speed, and operations against the enemies mind and psyche, rather than his troops. He shows very effectively that time again through the ages when commanders have used these principles they have won decisively, and at low cost, and when they have ignored them they have lost, or won very expensive victories. Why you should read this - This is text on strategy, which might at first seem innapropriate for CM. However, it's value is the idea of the indirect approach, which I believe applies nicely across the entire spectrum of operations. Hart won't tell you where to place your morters, or who should ride on which tank. He will tell you how to THINK about your operations, and how to make a plan that will leave your enemy wondering what the hell hit him. IIRC Guderian based his theory of tank operations on Liddell Hart's pre-war writings. That should be recommendation enough. [This message has been edited by Leftwing66 (edited 06-13-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoop88 Posted June 13, 2000 Share Posted June 13, 2000 For books from the German standpoint (besides Panzer Leader, Panzer Battles, Panzer Commander), try these by Paul Carrell: "Foxes of the Desert" "Invasion: They're Coming!" "Hitler Moves East" From the strategic level all three are dated, but at the tactical level there are loads and loads of descriptions of fighting from the standpoint of the individual soldier. Finally, although it's a novel I've always liked "Cross of Iron" by Willi Heinrich about the Eastern Front. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Speedy Posted June 13, 2000 Share Posted June 13, 2000 pvt_ryan- For a good book on the viewpoint of the individual German soldaten I advise you to read 'The Forgotten Soldier' by Guy Sajer ISBN 0-304-35240-3 . The book is about the experiences of the author on the Eastern Front from 1942 to 1945, to give a bit of perspective the author is only about 19 years old at the end of the war. ------------------ IN VINO VERITAS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchy Posted June 13, 2000 Share Posted June 13, 2000 1. The GI Offensive in Europe by Peter Mansoor 2. When the Odds Were Even: The Vosges Mountain Campaign by Keith Bonn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frenchy Posted June 13, 2000 Share Posted June 13, 2000 Speedy Wrote: pvt_ryan- For a good book on the viewpoint of the individual German soldaten I advise you to read 'The Forgotten Soldier' by Guy Sajer ISBN 0-304-35240-3 . The book is about the experiences of the author on the Eastern Front from 1942 to 1945, to give a bit of perspective the author is only about 19 years old at the end of the war. Please be advised that this book has come under suspicion as to its authenticity. In conversations with 2 military historians, they have mentioned this to me. As of this date, this suspicion hasn't been proved. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostOne Posted June 13, 2000 Share Posted June 13, 2000 "Enemy at the Gates : The Battle for Stalingrad" by William Craig is one of the best books I have ever read about the "down and dirty" of the infantry soldier in combat and depicts how intense and horrific the fighting was during Stalingrad. If you want to experience, as much as writing can depict, the absolute nightmare of Stalingrad this is the book. Obviously Eastern Front but stands out as top of the list reading. Ghost Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TURBO Posted June 13, 2000 Share Posted June 13, 2000 GhostOne have to second that one,real good read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wako Posted June 13, 2000 Share Posted June 13, 2000 No one has mentioned Barbarossa : The Russian-German Conflict, 1941-45 -- Alan Clark. A bit difficult to follow in places, but essential for the big picture. ------------------ wako "All models are wrong - some are useful.'' - George E.P. Box Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Offwhite Posted June 14, 2000 Share Posted June 14, 2000 Definitely agree with those who have mentioned Doubler's "Closing With the Enemy." Also John Toland's "Last 100 Days." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximillian Posted June 14, 2000 Share Posted June 14, 2000 Has anybody read 'And We Shall Shock Them' by David Fraser? I stumbled across it while looking for 'Closing with the Enemy'. Is it at all similar? I've read CwtE before, it was great, I loved the level of detail. Are there any books like it about the German forces? What about Soviet? Thanks, Max Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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