How Hot is Ukraine Gonna Get?

[Beleg85]

25 minutes ago, Jiggathebauce said:

Why don't you just tell everyone where you are from? Seems like a pretty minor thing to dodge if you're just a person on a gaming forum.

Especially that every new Ukrainian member gets massive hugs of love and spiked interest in his posts, so why even hiding it and mull instead? Unless naturally somebody is hiding in some cellar in Russian-occupying territory. Then I will apologize.

1 hour ago, Eug85 said:

This was your fourth post in a row about the shadow governance of Ukraine.

1 hour ago, Beleg85 said:

And there is nothing "shodowy" about...

Bro, read a little what other people are posting please. There is nothing shadowy if well-known councillor take a lot of effective decision-making on his shoulders; in fact it happens almost everywhere. What more, I don't necessarly think it is negative by itself. But we need to take this into consideration when talking about Zelensky 's character, decisions and behaviour. That's it, no conspiracy theories here.

Edited 2 hours ago by Beleg85

[Eug85]

9 minutes ago, Jiggathebauce said:

Why don't you just tell everyone where you are from? Seems like a pretty minor thing to dodge if you're just a person on a gaming forum.

I don't want to do this. I have encountered so much bias against myself here that I do not want to share my personal information here, lest someone use it later to harass me.

[billbindc]

"Fainting Couch: ENGAGE"

[Eug85]

12 minutes ago, Beleg85 said:

Especially that every new Ukrainian members gets massive hugs of love and spiked interest in his posts, so why even hiding it and mule instead? Unless naturally somebody is hiding in some cellar in Russian-occupying territory. Then I will apologize.

Bro, read a little what other people are posting please. There is nothing shadowy if well-known councillor take a lot of effective decision-making on his shoulders; in fact it happens almost everywhere. What more, I don't necessarly think it is negative by itself. But we need to take this into consideration when talking about Zelensky 's character, decisions and behaviour. That's it, no conspiracy theories here.

Here is the fifth post in a row about the shadow adviser to President Zelensky. I'm tired of this nonsense. So now I'll ignore you

[The_Capt]

4 minutes ago, Eug85 said:

I don't want to do this. I have encountered so much bias against myself here that I do not want to share my personal information here, lest someone use it later to harass me.

Oh come now. Look it is easy.

Hi, I am The_Capt, long time listener and caller (in studio audience chuckles). I am from Canada. I would tell you exactly where but let's be realistic, none of you really care (a more genuine laugh at this one).

Let's see, well I was a long time military officer. Recently retired. (someone from audience shouts "Thank you for your service") I smile obligingly, but always feel uncomfortable. You are very welcome. Hobbies are wargaming, reading and traveling.

Uhm, what else. Well I like long walks on the beach, a really good bourbon...and women with strong eyebrows. (a twitter on that one.) My retirement plans are basically to try and stay alive, and married for as long as she will put up with me. (another chuckle).  Oh and grandkids, we want grandkids ("Awww")

Beyond that, my favorite thing is European wars where the illegally invading nation committing warcrimes gets its @ss handed back to it. 

See? Easy.

[Jiggathebauce]

19 minutes ago, Eug85 said:

I don't want to do this. I have encountered so much bias against myself here that I do not want to share my personal information here, lest someone use it later to harass me.

I don't see how that would be the case unless you were Russian.  Only thing more abhorrent than the Russians currently is Russians being opaque about it

Edited 2 hours ago by Jiggathebauce

[Beleg85]

8 minutes ago, The_Capt said:

Oh come now. Look it is easy.

Hi, I am The_Capt, long time listener and caller (in studio audience chuckles). I am from Canada. I would tell you exactly where but let's be realistic, none of you really care (a more genuine laugh at this one).

Let's see, well I was a long time military officer. Recently retired. (someone from audience shouts "Thank you for your service") I smile obligingly, but always feel uncomfortable. You are very welcome. Hobbies are wargaming, reading and traveling.

Uhm, what else. Well I like long walks on the beach, a really good bourbon...and women with strong eyebrows. (a twitter on that one.) My retirement plans are basically to try and stay alive, and married for as long as she will put up with me. (another chuckle).  Oh and grandkids, we want grandkids ("Awww")

Beyond that, my favorite thing is European wars where the illegally invading nation committing warcrimes gets its @ss handed back to it. 

See? Easy.

8 minutes ago, Eug85 said:

Here is the fifth post in a row about the shadow adviser to President Zelensky. I'm tired of this nonsense. So now I'll ignore you

And I'll not ignore you cause your posts create interesting pattern.

Checkmate, bro.

 

Now, let's get back to real things. It seems Vuhledar is effectivelly done.

Edited 2 hours ago by Beleg85

[sburke]

7 minutes ago, The_Capt said:

Oh come now. Look it is easy.

Hi, I am The_Capt, long time listener and caller (in studio audience chuckles). I am from Canada. I would tell you exactly where but let's be realistic, none of you really care (a more genuine laugh at this one).

wtf!  You are Canadian?!  That explains sooooo much!

[danfrodo]

11 minutes ago, The_Capt said:

Beyond that, my favorite thing is European wars where the illegally invading nation committing warcrimes gets its @ss handed back to it. 

Damn straight!

[sburke]

NATO Ally's Fishing Boat Survives Fiery Encounter With Russian Warship (msn.com)

A small Norwegian fishing boat claimed to be the target of a warning shot fired by a Russian warship while in Norway's exclusive economic zone earlier this month.

The September 12 encounter occurred in the waters north of the Varanger Peninsula, which is the northeastern-most part of Norway and borders the Barents Sea, one of the Arctic Ocean's marginal seas, online news site FriFagbevegelse reported on Monday.

The incident happened during the Ocean-2024, a week-long strategic exercise organized by the Russian military that took place from September 10 to 16 in waters around the Northern Hemisphere, including the Arctic Ocean, to test the navy's combat readiness.

Norway is a founding member of NATO. The Nordic country is bordered by the Barents Sea to the north and the Norwegian Sea to the west, where the Russian military operates frequently.
One of the crew members of the Ragnhild Kristine, a 49-foot-long fishing boat registered in Norway, told FriFagbevegelse that the ship was operating in the Norwegian exclusive economic zone, where the Russian navy had pre-announced live firings in the area.

The economic zone extends 200 nautical miles beyond the territorial waters of a coastal state, where all ships enjoy their freedom of navigation, according to the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea, to which both Norway and Russia are parties.

[Butschi]

9 minutes ago, Jiggathebauce said:

I don't see how that would be the case unless you were Russian.  Only thing more abhorrent than the Russians currently is Russians pretending they aren't. 

I think I could even live with a Russian who is genuinely interested in a discussion and who can be argued with. Not a die-hard pro Putin fanboy who thinks Bucha was a great idea (or it was the Ukrainian) and Ukraine is actually not a sovereign state - but doesn't have to be a resistance fighter, either. Nothing like getting outside the bubble, every now and then.

[Eug85]

21 minutes ago, The_Capt said:

Oh come now. Look it is easy.

Hi, I am The_Capt, long time listener and caller (in studio audience chuckles). I am from Canada. I would tell you exactly where but let's be realistic, none of you really care (a more genuine laugh at this one).

Let's see, well I was a long time military officer. Recently retired. (someone from audience shouts "Thank you for your service") I smile obligingly, but always feel uncomfortable. You are very welcome. Hobbies are wargaming, reading and traveling.

Uhm, what else. Well I like long walks on the beach, a really good bourbon...and women with strong eyebrows. (a twitter on that one.) My retirement plans are basically to try and stay alive, and married for as long as she will put up with me. (another chuckle).  Oh and grandkids, we want grandkids ("Awww")

Beyond that, my favorite thing is European wars where the illegally invading nation committing warcrimes gets its @ss handed back to it. 

See? Easy.

Hi, I am Eug85. I would tell you who I am and where I come from, but let's be realistic, none of you really care.

Seriously, what kind of tactic is this, baiting a person with empty accusations, and then kindly asking him where he is from? Is this the norm in Canada?

Edited 2 hours ago by Eug85

[The_Capt]

5 minutes ago, Eug85 said:

Hi, I am Eug85. I would tell you who I am and where I come from, but let's be realistic, none of you really care.

Seriously, what kind of tactic is this, baiting a person with empty accusations, and then kindly asking him where he is from? Is this the norm in Canada?

Well I think more than a few do care. It is the norm everywhere there are humans. "Howdy Stranger."

[danfrodo]

2 minutes ago, Eug85 said:

Hi, I am August 85. I would tell you who I am and where I come from, but let's be realistic, none of you really care.

Seriously, what kind of tactic is this, baiting a person with empty accusations, and then kindly asking him where he is from? Is this the norm in Canada?

I actually am just interested in a clear, concise summary of your views on the war in Ukraine.  What do you think is happening -- is RU an illegal aggressor or an aggrieved victim trying to win back its rightful territory from oppressive usurpers?  And what outcome do you actually want?  

I think RU (Putin) is a serial mass murdering, child kidnapping, city destroying, world economy sabotaging, terrorist dictatorship.  The UKR war is of RU aggression for territory against an otherwise peaceful nation. 

I want RU's military to collapse and UKR to get all its territory back.  I want Putin hanging from a lamppost.  I want RU to have sanctions until they pay reparations to UKR and show they can be a civilized nation.  

There, see, that was easy.  Your turn.

[Jiggathebauce]

16 minutes ago, Eug85 said:

Hi, I am Eug85. I would tell you who I am and where I come from, but let's be realistic, none of you really care.

Seriously, what kind of tactic is this, baiting a person with empty accusations, and then kindly asking him where he is from? Is this the norm in Canada?

Don't even tell us where you're from, just tell us if you're Russian or not. Come on dude, I'm an out and open socialist on this forum. nobody has thrown me out of a helicopter yet. 

[sburke]

10 minutes ago, Jiggathebauce said:

Don't even tell us where you're from, just tell us if you're Russian or not. Come on dude, I'm an out and open socialist on this forum. nobody has thrown me out of a helicopter yet. 

just cause you keep avoiding the airport...  The day we get flying cars you are so fooked!  

[Maciej Zwolinski]

38 minutes ago, sburke said:

NATO Ally's Fishing Boat Survives Fiery Encounter With Russian Warship (msn.com)

A small Norwegian fishing boat claimed to be the target of a warning shot fired by a Russian warship while in Norway's exclusive economic zone earlier this month.

Jesus wept, I knew that Russians were reenacting 1916 during this war, but now they have gone even further back to 1904...

[Eug85]

27 minutes ago, danfrodo said:

I actually am just interested in a clear, concise summary of your views on the war in Ukraine.  What do you think is happening -- is RU an illegal aggressor or an aggrieved victim trying to win back its rightful territory from oppressive usurpers?  And what outcome do you actually want?  

I think RU (Putin) is a serial mass murdering, child kidnapping, city destroying, world economy sabotaging, terrorist dictatorship.  The UKR war is of RU aggression for territory against an otherwise peaceful nation. 

I want RU's military to collapse and UKR to get all its territory back.  I want Putin hanging from a lamppost.  I want RU to have sanctions until they pay reparations to UKR and show they can be a civilized nation.  

There, see, that was easy.  Your turn.

I thought that my opinion about Russia was clear from my posts, where I, for example, accused a Russian film of propaganda. I, like you, dream of Ukraine's victory and Russia's fall.

As for my opinion about the problems of the Ukrainian Armed Forces and the successes of the Russians, this does not indicate that I am a supporter of Putin. In 2022, everyone ridiculed the Russians for their failures in the war, and praised the Ukrainian Army. It seems that the Russians drew a number of conclusions from this criticism. While the praise did not benefit Ukraine in any way. What is the failed offensive in the Zaporizhia region worth, for example, where the Ukrainians underestimated the enemy's strength and overestimated their own. So I do not think that by criticizing the Ukrainian Army we make it weaker, but on the contrary, we help it, making it stronger and pointing out its weaknesses. Among Ukrainian observers, in connection with the current events on the front, there is a real hurricane of criticism towards the Ukrainian leadership. And I think that this is good, this is right

[Eug85]

34 minutes ago, Jiggathebauce said:

Don't even tell us where you're from, just tell us if you're Russian or not. Come on dude, I'm an out and open socialist on this forum. nobody has thrown me out of a helicopter yet. 

If that worries you so much, then no, I am not Russian, although I speak both Russian and Ukrainian fluently.

But what if I were Russian? Would that make me biased? I know many Russians who support Ukraine in its war with Putin, and some even fight on Ukraine's side.

[Kraft]

4 hours ago, The_Capt said:

exploring whether we are looking at a pro-Russian Info Op on this thread

Man, and someone claimed I am the person poisioning the wells in this thread

Beware, the russian niche 15 reocurring user gaming forum thread psyop.

But movie from russian military embedded, RT employed ethnic russian directors only showing rus POV? Lets not jump to conclusions, might be anti-war 

Edited 59 minutes ago by Kraft

[dan/california]

36 minutes ago, Maciej Zwolinski said:

Jesus wept, I knew that Russians were reenacting 1916 during this war, but now they have gone even further back to 1904...

Well on the plus side, the rest of that operation ended with Russia needing a whole new navy.

[dan/california]

2 hours ago, The_Capt said:

I am convinced the continuous offensive slaughters the RA are doing are pretty much a show for Western consumption. "Dear God, they are willing to just keep coming." Watch enough of that and just about anyone is going to start to wonder. He promotes and reinforces this because he really has very few options left. He is losing this thing so badly that his only real option is to "hope" we get tired and quit. 

Both Russia and Ukraine are doing everything they can to influence the U.S. election and be in the best possible shape for the outcome. From Russia's point of view looking relentless and utterly indifferent to losses makes it much easier for Trump to bleep Ukraine, or at least Trump and Putin both seem to think so. Ukraine of course would really like Trump to lose, we discussed that to death yesterday. 

The possible crunch point in the whole thing though, is if Harris wins, does the Russian military look at Putin and flatly tell him we can't do this anymore? Interesting times is indeed a curse.

5 hours ago, Beleg85 said:

Zel, is that you under new nickname? Because the way you post and talk is identical. Also, I wrote about RU influences, not @Maciej Zwolinski.

Nobody "led" Zelensky in strict sense, and it has nothing to do with any offenses to anybody but fair assessment of Ukrainian decision-making. It is a fact Yermak's voice weight a lot in decision-making on various levels, and they are collectivelly made within very tight circle (like in many countries, btw.). You are truly dipped in internal politics of UA if you think that Poroshenko/Zelensky conflict is what shapes other' countries opinion. Most people abroad don't even know such conflict exist, don't care or simply imagine Zelensky as stereotypical heroic war leader, attributing all decisions to him (or conversely, they imagine "a salesman", as MAGA crowd do).

https://www.businessinsider.com/ukraines-real-power-broker-yermak-zelensky-russia-war-biden-2023-12?IR=T

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/05/18/andriy-yermak-power-chief-ukraine/

https://www.thetimes.com/world/russia-ukraine-war/article/court-zelensky-ukraine-rocked-by-aides-thirst-for-power-57z9q8fwf

I think it is actually a good thing that there is a significant collective component to Ukraine's leadership. Putin being able to start this war by himself is how we got in this mess. 

[Yet]

1 hour ago, Butschi said:

I think I could even live with a Russian who is genuinely interested in a discussion and who can be argued with. Not a die-hard pro Putin fanboy who thinks Bucha was a great idea (or it was the Ukrainian) and Ukraine is actually not a sovereign state - but doesn't have to be a resistance fighter, either. Nothing like getting outside the bubble, every now and then.

I'd be stoked to have (ex)Russians here to show a pure Russian view without government agenda sauce. People that can explain the civilian attitude from the inside, and can point out how is being reacted on certain changes. However I understand that thats not so easy since even the ones currently outside of Russia know how long the Govts arm is.

This forum is a great source for many to understand the tools of war, the dynamics, strategies, situations, results, politics and the connected geopolititical issues. Real insights from russian (average) civilians is unfortunately something we dont get here firsthand (and barely even second-tier). 

That said. imho it'd great if Steve would give the good example, and kick the govt-washed Russians out before they reach 100 posts and reactions. 

Unmasking is great and should be openly done here. When properly done, it shows as the_Capt says the propaganda war thats going on. But all this blablabla mudfighting 10 pages makes lurkers (and posters) loose interest in the Forum and less informed on the war, less caring and less spreading the ins and outs, lessons, insights etc.

Which is exactly the goal of the Putin-minded.

 

[Baneman]

2 hours ago, Eug85 said:

I don't want to do this. I have encountered so much bias against myself here that I do not want to share my personal information here, lest someone use it later to harass me.

Classic Troll-101

[posts something contentious]

[gets called out on it for having no evidence - sometimes flying in the face of known evidence]

[affects to be insulted that they are being doubted, angrily posts about how they have tons of evidence that they could post, but now we've made them mad, so they won't, just to spite us.]

2 hours ago, sburke said:

wtf!  You are Canadian?!  That explains sooooo much!

Hmmm, I don't worry about him - it's that other guy - A Canadian Cat - where's he from I wonder  ? 

[billbindc]

I'm a big believer in hiding where one is from myself...