John Kettler Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 One of my CoC colleagues posted this, and it's so juicy I thought I should post it here for those doing skins. https://resourcesformodellers.wordpress.com/2015/01/02/ww2-german-armour-paints-and-camouflage-colours/?fbclid=IwAR1YjclT_gMuGg8R-EGnI2ISZ9sb6OKW1DkUAa0_32m1Gy1J3GM45io2gNg Regards, John Kettler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JM Stuff Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 58 minutes ago, John Kettler said: One of my CoC colleagues posted this, and it's so juicy I thought I should post it here for those doing skins. https://resourcesformodellers.wordpress.com/2015/01/02/ww2-german-armour-paints-and-camouflage-colours/?fbclid=IwAR1YjclT_gMuGg8R-EGnI2ISZ9sb6OKW1DkUAa0_32m1Gy1J3GM45io2gNg Regards, John Kettler Always the touch of infos, with colours codes is more easy to find it , thanks you John ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted May 4, 2020 Author Share Posted May 4, 2020 3j2m7, Happy to help, and I have some nagging thought that someone else went so far as to figure out what the exact Pantone numbers were for the various RAL numbers. These are printing industry standard designations. Something I can't resolve in this OP, though, is how you hold a true color standard given how much color variation you'll see on different model TV sets. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falaise Posted May 4, 2020 Share Posted May 4, 2020 for those interested, I sent a public message to squarehead for its scale models photos of a panzer IV hatch For your information Squarehead which has given no news since April 15 ..... http://community.battlefront.com/profile/55371-sgtsquarehead/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted May 5, 2020 Author Share Posted May 5, 2020 Falaise, Thanks for this! Am going to share it with my fellow gamers with miniatures. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StieliAlpha Posted July 29, 2020 Share Posted July 29, 2020 (edited) On 5/4/2020 at 7:14 PM, John Kettler said: 3j2m7, Happy to help, and I have some nagging thought that someone else went so far as to figure out what the exact Pantone numbers were for the various RAL numbers. These are printing industry standard designations. Something I can't resolve in this OP, though, is how you hold a true color standard given how much color variation you'll see on different model TV sets. Regards, John Kettler Hi John We had this conversation already a few years ago: Due to technical reasons almost anything goes, as far as colours are concerned. An example: In the „Saumur PzIV“ thread, Sgt Squarehead confirmed that German tanks were delivered with a few cans of paint, to be applied with site means. Needless to say, the colour comes out quite differently, if you dilute with clean water or dirty water or petroleum or something else. Or if you paint with a brush instead of spray. Or if the base metal is properly prepared or not... BTW, that is, why the Saumur Pz IV comes out so nice and bright. Edited July 29, 2020 by StieliAlpha 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 Just to clarify.....In the case of the Panzer IVs we were discussing, these left the factory in a coat of plain dunkelgelb, with the two camouflage colours provided as paste, dilutable with water, petrol etc. This is not a hard and fast rule, some vehicles, notably Hetzers left the factory with complex paint schemes.....Having said that, some Hetzers too were delivered in plain dunkelgelp, presumably with camo paints for unit application. On 5/4/2020 at 7:36 PM, Falaise said: for those interested, I sent a public message to squarehead for its scale models photos of a panzer IV hatch For your information Squarehead which has given no news since April 15 ..... http://community.battlefront.com/profile/55371-sgtsquarehead/ I've added your images to my collection of 'first hand' colour references.....The tricky part for modelling is that perceived color varies with scale. If I were to paint one of my 1/72 models in real dunkelgelb, it would look muddy brown in a photograph. The colour has to be lightened about 40% to compensate for the diminuative size of the subject. FWIW 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted August 11, 2020 Share Posted August 11, 2020 (edited) Took me ages to find this online (it's in loads of books): Just to demonstrate that they didn't add the camo at the end of the process (this image is also from Skoda at Pilsen): Edited August 11, 2020 by Sgt.Squarehead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StieliAlpha Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 15 hours ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: ....The tricky part for modelling is that perceived color varies with scale. If I were to paint one of my 1/72 models in real dunkelgelb, it would look muddy brown in a photograph. The colour has to be lightened about 40% to compensate for the diminuative size of the subject. Interesting point (and underlines my favourite talking point that a model is a model). Indeed, I used to paint or spray my 1/72 models with paint „as it comes from the Revell or Tamiya cans“ and add some dirt and grime over it. My brother still does the same in 1/35 and, of course, the general appearance comes out quite differently. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 (edited) For 1/72 dunkelgelb, try mixing the basic colour 60/40 with Tamiya's 'Buff'. If you are airbrushing there are a ton of tricks you can use to make even a plain monotone colour interesting, check this out: https://www.britmodeller.com/forums/index.php?/topic/235074548-meng-mark-a-whippet/&tab=comments#comment-3714502 Highly recommend checking out more of Andy's posts on Britmodeller.....He's a genuine master modeller, yet he is happy to explain each and every technique in great detail, truly a gentleman & a scholar IMHO. Edited August 12, 2020 by Sgt.Squarehead 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted August 12, 2020 Share Posted August 12, 2020 A brilliant job with shadows to illustrate all the details - esp the shadows in the chassis area. Often in-game models have no dark spots amongst the wheel arches. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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