Jayzthegamer Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I haven't played the original CMSF and for my pre-order of this version, I bought the base game + British combo I was simply wondering what the Canadian forces in this game consist of and what their missions are based around, I know in real life we did similar jobs as the Americans in Afghanistan so I wonder if the playstyle is much like the other western nations just less of. Anyways, any info on the composition is much appreciated 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ncc1701e Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 I did not play much with the Canadians but their official TO&E is here: https://www.battlefront.com/shock-force-2/cmsf2-nato-module/?tab=toe MAJOR FORMATIONS (NOT A COMPLETE LIST) Tank Squadron Mech Infantry Battalion Independent Battlegroup Rifle Company Engineer Company (Independent) VEHICLES Leopard 1 A5 C2 Leopard 2A4+ Leopard 2A6 M LAV I BISON LAV III ISC LAV III CP LAV III TOW LAV III FOO Nyala HMG Nyala RWS G Wagon G Wagon Turreted HEAVY WEAPONS C6 MG M2HB M72A7 LAW Carl Gustav Eryx M19 60mm Light Mortar L16 81mm Medium Mortar SMALL ARMS C3A1 C7A2 C7A2 w/ M203 grenade launcher C8A2 C8A2 w/ M203 grenade launcher C9 C14 C15 ARTILLERY SUPPORT C3 81mm mortar LG Mark 2 105mm howitzer M777 155mm howitzer M1094 155mm self-propelled howitzer AIR SUPPORT CF-188A 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domfluff Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 This has more information about Canadians in CMSF 2 than pretty much anywhere else: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougPhresh Posted November 14, 2018 Share Posted November 14, 2018 (edited) Just subtly mentioning that we had C9's with the C79 optical sight before we had M777s and RGs (Nyala in game). Also, for any scenario designers, make sure 2RCHA is fanatic and elite. Edited November 14, 2018 by DougPhresh 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Leopard 2A4+ is no longer in the game. It got pulled and replaced. What had been in CMSF1 was (mistaken) conjecture. The real world Leopard 2A4M CAN is about 2009-10 timeframe so outside of CMSF2's scope. There's a CMSF strategic map floating around somewhere that shows the Canadian's zone of operation. The Canadian campaign is centered around Tall Tamir and As Hasakah, the far northeast corner of Syria. The area of much ISIS fighting this past year. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted November 15, 2018 Share Posted November 15, 2018 Interesting factiod about Leopard C2. When Canada found themselves in need of additional tanks they went so far as to pull a number of old Leopard 1s from 'gate guardian' duty, basically oversized lawn ornaments. These were Leopard 1A3s whose welded turrets as been replaced by surplus cast German Leopard 1a5 turrets. For Afghanistan duty a small number received a hefty MEXAS armor upgrade performed by the German firm IBD Deisenroth Engineering. So the C2s in the game are not your typical Leopard C2 but the rare bulked-up fancy version. I didn't realize before now that MEXAS is a German product! I am surprised! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayzthegamer Posted November 16, 2018 Author Share Posted November 16, 2018 tis' what happens when you have half of what NATO recommends as your military budget, but... we do have that free healthcare 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougPhresh Posted November 16, 2018 Share Posted November 16, 2018 We also bought back the CH-47s we had sold to the Dutch, and the Kingston Class patrol ships had bofors guns taken off war monuments. Of course, by the time of CMSF the Afghan war had led to a pretty impressive procurement blitz and we were flush with new kit, most of which had filtered down to battalion in large numbers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 On 11/15/2018 at 11:18 PM, MikeyD said: Leopard 2A4+ is no longer in the game. It got pulled and replaced. What had been in CMSF1 was (mistaken) conjecture. The real world Leopard 2A4M CAN is about 2009-10 timeframe so outside of CMSF2's scope. So your mod is for CMSF1 only now? That's a shame. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 No no, German Leopard 2A4 is still in the game. Canadian Leopard 2A4+ with the lengthened barrel was removed. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted November 18, 2018 Share Posted November 18, 2018 Excellent.....I fully intend to rebuild my 'Ottoman Dawn' scenario in CMSF2 with the aim of tagging up your mods and including them in the file (if that's OK with you). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milites Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 I used to play the Canadians quite a bit and was frustrated at their infantry's lack of any decent hand held, infantry AT systems. You could acquire the 84mm, in mech units. but it only had HE ammo, leaving the poor squaddies to deal with tanks using the LAW's, which were somewhat ineffective against anything decent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayzthegamer Posted November 19, 2018 Author Share Posted November 19, 2018 1 hour ago, Milites said: I used to play the Canadians quite a bit and was frustrated at their infantry's lack of any decent hand held, infantry AT systems. You could acquire the 84mm, in mech units. but it only had HE ammo, leaving the poor squaddies to deal with tanks using the LAW's, which were somewhat ineffective against anything decent. I was on an exercise with my local reserve unit (I live near Vancouver BC) and I was hanging out with some infantry guys and they said that if they ever went to war with Russia the plan was to sit on our side of a hill, wait for the tank to roll across, then shoot it in the ass and kill it, then get killed by dismounted infantry. So that pretty much sums up our AT capabilities. (I have however drafted a plan to get enemy tanks stuck in pads of stale maple syrup yet to be approved from the DOD) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Canadians have SRAAW (H), otherwise known as Eryx. Effective range 600m, 900mm armor penetration with a tandem warhead. SRAAW (M), otherwise known as Carl Gustav, only does 400m penetration. The SRAAW (L), otherwise known as LAW, penetrates about 350mm, And they have the LAVIII TOW. Beta team just took delivery of the new manuals for all the modules 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerner Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 12 hours ago, Jayzthegamer said: (I have however drafted a plan to get enemy tanks stuck in pads of stale maple syrup yet to be approved from the DOD) And for close assaulting armor, have you tried throwing an angry beaver down the hatch? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerKommissar Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 Not a bad roster -- just wish we had some M113s. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted November 19, 2018 Share Posted November 19, 2018 You can kind of represent them with the basic FV.432.....Not ideal, but it's the best we can do right now. A vehicle pack for this game and CMBS would be great news IMHO.....We can but hope. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sequoia Posted November 23, 2018 Share Posted November 23, 2018 On 11/19/2018 at 6:54 AM, mjkerner said: And for close assaulting armor, have you tried throwing an angry beaver down the hatch? Yeah the Finns would do it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DougPhresh Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 Here's a puff piece about the TLAV. Note that '08 was a particularly rough year, anyone who served on 1-08 is pretty tough hombre. https://ottawacitizen.com/news/national/defence-watch/tlav-shines-in-afghanistan As for anti-tank drills, Afghanistan drove procurement after the budget cuts of the 90's. Carl Gs and M72s are useful for breaking up grape huts, expensive kit like Javelin and MILAN less so. The Eryx already in inventory would be sufficient for operations in Syria in '12 I think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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