Wiggum15

Hi !

CMSF is 8 years old now, technically i would say that we play the same game for 8 years now...
Its time to move to the next level of wargaming !

What do you think, when should BFC start to develop a CMx3 engine ?
What would be the features you want to see in it ?
Do you want it on Steam ?
Do you think a Kickstarter or Early-Access Model would work for BFC ?

My most wanted features:
- Reworked Infantry Simulation (Movement, Formations, Cover, Spotting) right now i think its pretty unrealistic
- Better TacAI, especially for the enemy AI, more situational awareness and a kind of self preservation (better Panic behavior !)
- More Commands like a "Use Road" or Road Movement command for Vehicles
- Make suppression more effective
- Finally enable the TacAI to use bridges
- Reworked Building Model + special MOUT commands
- Inf - Vehicle (Tank,IFV,APC) cooperation commands
- Better simulation of Night Combat with Flares and a NVG View
- Better Modeling of terrain, terrain deformation and real trenches and foxholes not that ugly things we have now (but still with FOW)
- The Option to mark buildings as prepared for defense in the editor
- Fighting Positions for Vehicles
- Better Quick Battles, better automatic force selection
- More options for the AI in the Editor, more trigger options and waypoints
- SOP's for the action Phase like "Evade enemy fire" or "Area fire at suspected enemy positions" or "only engage enemy AFV's"
- Better graphics with not such a comic look like in CMx2
- No more "floating in green goo" map
- Completely redone UI
- Better optimization for Dual and Quad Core CPU's
- Reduce loading times
- Map overlay system
- Actually show us the aircraft
- Wet surfaces during rain
- Build in Vehicle and Weapon Encyclopedia

What do you think ?

Hi !

CMSF is 8 years old now, technically i would say that we play the same game for 8 years now...
Its time to move to the next level of wargaming !

What do you think, when should BFC start to develop a CMx3 engine ?
What would be the features you want to see in it ?
Do you want it on Steam ?
Do you think a Kickstarter or Early-Access Model would work for BFC ?

My most wanted features:
- Reworked Infantry Simulation (Movement, Formations, Cover, Spotting) right now i think its pretty unrealistic
- Better TacAI, especially for the enemy AI, more situational awareness and a kind of self preservation (better Panic behavior !)
- More Commands like a "Use Road" or Road Movement command for Vehicles
- Make suppression more effective
- Finally enable the TacAI to use bridges
- Reworked Building Model + special MOUT commands
- Inf - Vehicle (Tank,IFV,APC) cooperation commands
- Better simulation of Night Combat with Flares and a NVG View
- Better Modeling of terrain, terrain deformation and real trenches and foxholes not that ugly things we have now (but still with FOW)
- The Option to mark buildings as prepared for defense in the editor
- Fighting Positions for Vehicles
- Better Quick Battles, better automatic force selection
- More options for the AI in the Editor, more trigger options and waypoints
- SOP's for the action Phase like "Evade enemy fire" or "Area fire at suspected enemy positions" or "only engage enemy AFV's"
- Better graphics with not such a comic look like in CMx2
- No more "floating in green goo" map
- Completely redone UI
- Better optimization for Dual and Quad Core CPU's
- Reduce loading times
- Map overlay system
- Actually show us the aircraft
- Wet surfaces during rain
- Build in Vehicle and Weapon Encyclopedia

What do you think ?

What' s your age and occupational background that you think you are qualified to tell others what kind of suggestions they can make and not make on a internet forum ?
Do you know the word "Gedankenspiel" ?

But if its a serious question:
Iam 17 and my occupational background is that i live in my parents basement...

Indeed but Ken and Vin have created something worth discussing so riff off of that.

are there any plans to improve unit spacing?
for example sending an team or in worse case squad from point A to point B and ensuring they take good positions,can be problematic. Soldiers will just unrealistically try to be as close to eachothers as they can,often being on top of each others
 
besides not looking very nice, it impacts gameplay alot. and realism.
 
interaction between unit spacing and HE (or any other rounds) is my point
 
tight formation, which is completely unnessesary , makes them more vulnerable to the HE rounds. now, it might be the case that HE rounds are not as deadly in the game as they are irl.
which bring us to another thing: Not Realistic much
 
in my opinion,this is a big flaw in cm games. i dont mind that much strange animations and sometimes abysimal shadows but this is one of the things that is critical for realism
 
are there any plans to adress this,and if yes would it be @v4 or x3 engine
 
 

Wow, you reached a new low with this post sburke...

No, you DONT criticize how CM handles Bridges !
If that was the case you would stard threads about it and ask BFC why they did not fix it in 8 years.
You have a strange desire to always be polite toward BFC, thats why you never would ask them harsh questions or demand a answer from them.

Then you try to get this thread closed...
That typical, get the critic banned or derail his threads so they got closed...again, very mature.

And about World Cup, as far as i know Germany won it, i mean the real thing not the Women's thing nobody cares about.
And i guess you care as much about football as i care about American Football or Women's "soccer"...
Thats so childish but you still got me to answer this...i know thats your plan because you want m,e banned or at least this thread closed...

Wow, you reached a new low with this post sburke...

No, you DONT criticize how CM handles Bridges !
If that was the case you would stard threads about it and ask BFC why they did not fix it in 8 years.
You have a strange desire to always be polite toward BFC, thats why you never would ask them harsh questions or demand a answer from them.

Then you try to get this thread closed...
That typical, get the critic banned or derail his threads so they got closed...again, very mature.

And about World Cup, as far as i know Germany won it, i mean the real thing not the Women's thing nobody cares about.
And i guess you care as much about football as i care about American Football or Women's "soccer"...
Thats so childish but you still got me to answer this...i know thats your plan because you want m,e banned or at least this thread closed...

Upvoting your own posts is lame.

The question is, at what speed are they moving and how far can they move forward while in the "cage" called CMx2 engine...

The question is, at what speed are they moving and how far can they move forward while in the "cage" called CMx2 engine...

The fanboy levels on this forum are through the roof.
I mean, I like ARMA 3, I worked for BI for a while, but I can still say some parts of it are a POS and are a downgrade from ARMA 2.
Any criticism, constructive or otherwise, is looked upon with utmost scorn here.

Are I able to discuss all these things (pathfinding for example) without the "I don't see a issue here" and "BFC has other things to do" people... No.
With the insane lack of critics here on the forums and the huge number of Hardcore BFC fans you need guys like me.

@ MikeyD

Now can you tell me how snow will be modeled ?
Will there be different snow tiles simulating deep snow ?
Will it actually look like deep snow or will it just be flat ?
Will there be reworked trench-foxhole models and other forms of protected fighting positions (overhead protection) ?
Will there be "reinforced/prepared" buildings ?
Will there be "snow" weather, i mean actuall snow i can see falling ?
Will the buildings be recycled from the Normandy game or are they all/mostly new models ?
Will the infantry movement (formations !) get a update ?
Will the TacAi be improved ?
Will night combat (Flares/LOS) be improved ?
Will there be a "Use Road command" ?
Will there be new AI trigger features ?
How much of the content is recycled (1944 again again...) ?

Is there a new feature that enhances the gameplay like "action phase SOP's" ?
Imagine you could choose a SOP like -> "evade enemy fire" plot a few reverse waypoints back into cover or a fast waypoint behind a building.
You start the turn, your Sherman hunts forward, receives AT fire and rushes forward over the open field behind a barn...
Just something that gives the gameplay more depth ?

No (huh, i thought it will be the "new" CM game) ?
So its just a new TO&E (modders cant touch this) + new scenarios + some new textures + a few new models (again, modders cant touch this)
Doesent this sound more like a 20$ DLC for you too ?
Tell us, what the great deal about the Bulge game...whats "new" ?

You cant forever hide behind the "wow look at our well researched TO&E" while your engine is a rusty old thing full of flaws...except you are JTS...
 
...there are only a few things the ordinary german cares less about then women playing soccer.

@ MikeyD

Now can you tell me how snow will be modeled ?
Will there be different snow tiles simulating deep snow ?
Will it actually look like deep snow or will it just be flat ?
Will there be reworked trench-foxhole models and other forms of protected fighting positions (overhead protection) ?
Will there be "reinforced/prepared" buildings ?
Will there be "snow" weather, i mean actuall snow i can see falling ?
Will the buildings be recycled from the Normandy game or are they all/mostly new models ?
Will the infantry movement (formations !) get a update ?
Will the TacAi be improved ?
Will night combat (Flares/LOS) be improved ?
Will there be a "Use Road command" ?
Will there be new AI trigger features ?
How much of the content is recycled (1944 again again...) ?

Is there a new feature that enhances the gameplay like "action phase SOP's" ?
Imagine you could choose a SOP like -> "evade enemy fire" plot a few reverse waypoints back into cover or a fast waypoint behind a building.
You start the turn, your Sherman hunts forward, receives AT fire and rushes forward over the open field behind a barn...
Just something that gives the gameplay more depth ?

No (huh, i thought it will be the "new" CM game) ?
So its just a new TO&E (modders cant touch this) + new scenarios + some new textures + a few new models (again, modders cant touch this)
Doesent this sound more like a 20$ DLC for you too ?
Tell us, what the great deal about the Bulge game...whats "new" ?

You cant forever hide behind the "wow look at our well researched TO&E" while your engine is a rusty old thing full of flaws...except you are JTS...
 
...there are only a few things the ordinary german cares less about then women playing soccer.

Alright Wiggum, so we know now that you are unhappy with the pace of the CM engines development and that you would prefer BFC to focus on engine improvements rather than adding more theaters to the game. Well, as i said, none of us here can do anything about that. But how about starting a poll? The new forum lets you do that, and maybe it would help to make BFC aware of a certain amount of people beeing interested in them shifting the focus of their work. I suggest the following questions:
 
a- Would you like BFC to focus on CMx2 engine improvements?
b- Would you like BFC to focus on adding more theaters to CMx2?
 
If you do that, I ask you to avoid suggestive question, please, it' s in your own interest to create a poll that can be taken seriously. Of course you now could ask again: "...and what would that achieve?". But honestly, i suggest you just try it, it' s at least better than doing what you are doing currently. You know, i am actually trying to be constructive here (something that hasnt happened to often in the past few pages of this thread) and help you despite our different views.

I never said CM needs to be perfect.
Its only about the lack of progress since CMSF, 8 years and no big step forward, no game changing new feature, no new level of realism for one of the best wargame series ever...that makes me sad and angry because i suspect BFC became lazy somehow.
If i look at the improvements GTOS got through the latest patch alone or the Mius Front videos...
Its not about being perfect...its about progress !
I dont want BFC to become the next JTS !

I never said CM needs to be perfect.
Its only about the lack of progress since CMSF, 8 years and no big step forward, no game changing new feature, no new level of realism for one of the best wargame series ever...that makes me sad and angry because i suspect BFC became lazy somehow.
If i look at the improvements GTOS got through the latest patch alone or the Mius Front videos...
Its not about being perfect...its about progress !
I dont want BFC to become the next JTS !

@ waclaw

...and Snow !
Dont forget Snow...i mean how great is a white ground-tile ?
 
GTOS blows CMx2 "out of the water" in some aspects:

Graphics [CMx2 is not even close]
Operational layer
Airstrike modeling
It has flares for night combat
A bit more detailed modeling of armored vehicles
Simulation of wired communication networks
Some commands CMx2 lacks [inf and Vehicle formations, "use roads" command, Inf-Armor cooperation].

...and if you take a look at the upcoming "Mius Front" game they are working on, well look for yourself on youtube...
You will be surprised !

No, won't be happening because I don't play for the eye candy and I get bored playing the AI.... hey but go knock yourself out. If it works for you fannntastic! Why you bother bringing it to the discussion here is confusing. You were asked for this better game you pontificated on, not a better game in some aspect. Hell chess is better then CM, in some aspects.  What is this supposed wonder game being developed in Kharkhov?  If AP is the best you could come up with, you are running on empty.

@ waclaw

...and Snow !
Dont forget Snow...i mean how great is a white ground-tile ?
 
GTOS blows CMx2 "out of the water" in some aspects:

Graphics [CMx2 is not even close]
Operational layer
Airstrike modeling
It has flares for night combat
A bit more detailed modeling of armored vehicles
Simulation of wired communication networks
Some commands CMx2 lacks [inf and Vehicle formations, "use roads" command, Inf-Armor cooperation].

...and if you take a look at the upcoming "Mius Front" game they are working on, well look for yourself on youtube...
You will be surprised !

I agree CM is brilliant and does not require any improvements.   CMBulge - it will be a real revolution! new scenarios! (may be as many as 10) two campaigns (five scenarios) and new skins vehicles! and may in the future will add a packet of vehicles without scenario - we'll see them in the editor.   honestly? I already bored with this evolution - I want a real revolution.

@ c3k

Oh come on.
You argument is the same as sburke's.

- BFC needs more time
Really ?!
8 Years should be enough to work on the basic CMx2 flaws and shortcomings and add game changing new features.

- BFC has no money
If i look at what some Indie Devs are pulling of at the moment i cant let that count

- BFC is a small team
There is another small wargame developing team from Kharkov, Ukraine...just look at what they are able to do !

- The game is the best tactical battle simulator anyway
Actually i would say no it is not. And i think sooner then later BFC will realize that they got much to comfortable in their little warm niche.

Thats correct but BFC has shown no interest in actually improving the engine or fixing fundamental flaws.
They were the ones who started the whole "DLC after DLC" thing.
They could have gone the other way which most likely would mean less sales/income for a year or two.
But maybe the CMx2 engine can not be "fixed" anyway and BFC knows that, thats why they choose to release texture/scenario packs.

I see no initiative from them like a kickstarter campaign for a new engine "CMx3". Then they could make money while still in development through early access.

Look, and THAT is the flawed attitude you guys have.

Someone complains about CMx2 or criticize it or BFC.

Your reaction -> "Play another game" or "Develop your own game"
No wonder BFC did not move forward in the last 7 years, you guys deserve CMx2 as it is...stop being rude to everyone who does criticize CMx2 or BFC !

...and what should i achieve with that ?
I wrote PM's to Steve and ChrisND an never got a response.
Helpdesk is more for support and not to discuss the game...thats something that belongs into the forums.