BlackMoria

It looks like, from the dirt with a track pattern on it on the fore deck of the damaged tank, that another tank back into this vehicle, treads gained purchase and it back up onto the front deck of the damaged tank.  The rear deck of the backing up tank got under the barrel and the barrel acted like a massive pry bar, pulling the turret off to it current position.
In other words, it was two leopards mating and it went horribly wrong.   😜

It looks like, from the dirt with a track pattern on it on the fore deck of the damaged tank, that another tank back into this vehicle, treads gained purchase and it back up onto the front deck of the damaged tank.  The rear deck of the backing up tank got under the barrel and the barrel acted like a massive pry bar, pulling the turret off to it current position.
In other words, it was two leopards mating and it went horribly wrong.   😜

It looks like, from the dirt with a track pattern on it on the fore deck of the damaged tank, that another tank back into this vehicle, treads gained purchase and it back up onto the front deck of the damaged tank.  The rear deck of the backing up tank got under the barrel and the barrel acted like a massive pry bar, pulling the turret off to it current position.
In other words, it was two leopards mating and it went horribly wrong.   😜

LOL...geolocated due to a kitchen countertop.  

LOL...geolocated due to a kitchen countertop.  

LOL...geolocated due to a kitchen countertop.  

Another story of interest concerning chances of China reclaiming Siberia.   https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2014/07/03/where-do-borders-need-to-be-redrawn/why-china-will-reclaim-siberia
 

Interesting story of a Ukrainian M109 SP gun taking out a russian helicopter that touched down to drop or pick something up and got nailed by a 155 round just before it lifted off.   https://www.technology.org/2023/04/03/can-artillery-guns-take-down-a-helicopter-m109-paladin-destroyed-a-russian-aircraft/
 

They are pro russian.  But isn't it interesting how money make loyalties "fluid".  Particularly for companies and businesses.

I agree 100% with Beau of the Fifth's assessment.   We have recent history to confirm that.   Invasion is the easy part.   Occupation is the hard.   Look at the US/Coalition experience in Iraq and Afghanistan.   The opposition was pushed aside easy enough.  Just a couple of weeks or a month tops.  But the occupation portion was where the hard grind was.   Some of the toughest fights in Iraq were the Fallujah battles, which was during the occupation portion.   20 years of occupation in Afghanistan resulted in a withdrawal, conceding a win to the Taliban.
Russia is struggling and getting hammered during the easy part, the invasion.   Assuming Russia could occupy Ukraine (almost statistically impossible but not zero) would be 10x worst dealing with an well organized insurgency.  And Ukraine was looking and planning for an insurgency before Russian crossed the border.   So they have already prepared and trained for it.    Russia will be bled white during the occupation.  Hell, they are being bled white during the invasion portion.   Managing an occupation is an near impossible lift for them now.

I agree 100% with Beau of the Fifth's assessment.   We have recent history to confirm that.   Invasion is the easy part.   Occupation is the hard.   Look at the US/Coalition experience in Iraq and Afghanistan.   The opposition was pushed aside easy enough.  Just a couple of weeks or a month tops.  But the occupation portion was where the hard grind was.   Some of the toughest fights in Iraq were the Fallujah battles, which was during the occupation portion.   20 years of occupation in Afghanistan resulted in a withdrawal, conceding a win to the Taliban.
Russia is struggling and getting hammered during the easy part, the invasion.   Assuming Russia could occupy Ukraine (almost statistically impossible but not zero) would be 10x worst dealing with an well organized insurgency.  And Ukraine was looking and planning for an insurgency before Russian crossed the border.   So they have already prepared and trained for it.    Russia will be bled white during the occupation.  Hell, they are being bled white during the invasion portion.   Managing an occupation is an near impossible lift for them now.

Ya and this is why I often wonder if the entire Human Experiment is a good idea.  We were built to function in social groups of about 50 or less, with an overall population of less than a million globally.  Our lifespans are too short, and cognitive horizons too narrow for the massive social undertakings we are in.
During COVID we could not get people to "sacrifice" in wearing face masks. Asking the average individual to draw a string from "why is my light bill so high...now I can't buy another pair of shoes to round out my collection and my Sik Sok channel will die!" to "the entire western order that allows for massive domestic debt is threatened" is likely asking too much.
You hit on another point at the back end - offramps.  We have talked about a "soft landing" for Russia or even an offramp strategy for Putin, but I honestly get the sense that we are in "all in" territory.  We were not in the first six months of this war, but far too much blood has been spilled.  War being political is only ever half the answer, it is also deeply personal.  History is full of wars that went on long past the point of political rational.  Clausewitz should have said "war should be politics by other means" because more often than not it gets hijacked.  And when it does, we historically go to very dark places (e.g. Crusades, Thirty Years War).  I suspect this war has taken on a darker tone where saner heads will not prevail - another thing the west needs to wrap its head around.  This is a war of the "old ways" and dark angry red gods rule these lands.

Where the hell are they chumming up these idiots?  And Piers is a moron.  

Where the hell are they chumming up these idiots?  And Piers is a moron.  

Where the hell are they chumming up these idiots?  And Piers is a moron.  

First off, I am not saying the 2014-16 Russian financial crisis was not a thing.  However, if you actually read some of those links you would see that there was more to it than "western softball sanctions".  The price of oil being a major one.  
What I am saying is that we are only at the start of this thing and the Russian economy is looking like it has been hurt worse than it was by 2015.  With all my "vomited graphs and charts" from economic sites, you still have not really answered that point.  This is leading me to believe that you really do not want new information or data in creating a better knowledge framework, you instead appear to just want to see and hear what you already believe and then promote that.
Oh look another BBC article - 
https://www.bbc.com/news/business-61061619
Sure we had an impact back in 2014 on an already vulnerable economy.  And in 2022 we have had a similar impact - numbers show worse impact - on an economy that was much better shored up and prepared...while oil prices are in an entirely different context.
I am going to let your source "The Grid" slide: https://www.politico.com/news/2022/01/25/unusual-origins-news-site-00001776
But if we are going to play "my voodoo economic priests say this"
https://www.euractiv.com/section/global-europe/news/forecast-2023-putins-russia-will-look-more-like-north-korea/
https://www.bofit.fi/en/monitoring/weekly/2023/vw202301_1/
https://www.wilsoncenter.org/blog-post/putins-war-costs-changing-russias-economy
So here we are, you with some strong opinions, an IMF report that may be right or wrong and an old bbc story.  It does not change the facts, something largely absent from your position.
Ah, ok I see it now.  You "get it" and everyone else does not.  Ukraine lost about 10% of it territory in 2014, the entire Crimea being the big one.  In that intervening 8 years here are some more "vomited" inconvenient facts:
https://tradingeconomics.com/ukraine/gdp
That is the Ukrainian GDP after 2014.  Here are the growth rates:
https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.MKTP.KD.ZG?locations=UA
All upward except for 2020 - you know the middle of that pandemic thing.  So that is with 10% of "critical economic land in the Donbas) occupied.
Ukraine also reformed its military power to the point that is crushed the initial attempts at invasion occupation of a military force (and economic power) that should have crushed it.
So no, having an additional 7.5% of one country occupied, on top of the 10% they lost while the west was sleeping is not "taken lightly".  However, it is not a sign of "unassailable doom" or that Ukraine is in the middle of crushing defeat.
So here I will tell you what.  Let's put the economic thing to the side.  I will accept that maybe the Russian economy may be more resilient than we thought and can possibly keep its head above water longer than anyone has planned for.  It is a possibility and let's not dismiss that.  I would also offer that a recognition of the damage already done is worth considering as we continue to ramp up pressure and push-back.  In short, as to the economic warfare being waged, the jury is still out.
Now as a "studier of warfare", answer my next post down the line.  Provide some actual facts that demonstrate how the trajectory the RA is on is going to change.  How the course of this war has gone in any direction but horrible for the RA.  How the UA has, and has every sign of being able to continue to prosecute this war on the battlefield.  And I mean real facts, not stuff you heard in a bar or on Reddit or YouTube.  Analysis or assessment by people who know what they are talking about.
You came on this thread with a position.  One that you clearly are not going to come off.  You are essentially promoting "negotiate now" as the only reasonable choice, less Ukraine continue down its doomed path of defeat and drags the west with it.  You have not provided one corroborating assessment/analysis nor even your own research - you have indeed mocked the presentation of facts that do not align with your view.  I have posted a lengthy analysis and assessment of the war to date, with references and demonstrated that it has been on a trajectory for severe Russian defeat. 
You disagree, now prove it.  Walk us through your analysis framework and how the RA is going to turn this around so definitively that the Ukrainian and western political level needs to seriously rethink their calculus.  Do you have a different assessment of the war to date?  Let's hear it.  Do you have a different assessment of RA capability, force employment and generation?  Put it forward, with maybe a few "vomited references" to back it up.
 

You said "Russia simply has vastly more industrial capacity and manpower".  It was true at the beginning of this fiasco.   Fast forward nearly 12 months.   Has that capacity resulted in victory for Russia yet?  No.    And Russia is worst off economically and has diminished industrial capacity due to sanctions than when this started.   If a given industry can't get parts and technology due to sanctions and has a reduced workforce due to workers fleeing the country or being fed into the meatgrinder, just how do they intend to leverage that industrial capacity and manpower for victory.   Maybe over time but the opinion of most on this forum is Russia doesn't have the time to make the sweeping changes in industry or the military industrial complex to ensure victory.  Nor do they have the time to completely reform and restructure their armed forces.    Russia military is dying ever so slowly the death of a thousand cuts and the industrial capacity and manpower isn't going to be a timely savior as the Ukraine wolves keep tearing small pieces of the Russian bear.   Changes to salvage this situation for Russia requires changes and reforms that will take years to implement.  Not in a few short months.   Sure, Russia has shore up what it has but frankly, they seemed determine to banzai charge their way to victory, which is fundamentally a stupid way to try to achieve victory.
Having industrial capacity and manpower is not enough.  It is how you leverage it and so far, 12 months in, Russia is very poor at using it to advantage.  Hence, poorly trained, poorly armed, and poorly motivated conscripts and criminals are the thing right now; poor leadership and limited equipment are the norm.   Just when is the industrial capacity and manpower going to kick in and win this for Russia.  Maybe in some years from now but Russia doesn't have the time.   For Ukraine, its NATO tanks today... it could be F16 / Tornadoes etc. next week. 

You said "Russia simply has vastly more industrial capacity and manpower".  It was true at the beginning of this fiasco.   Fast forward nearly 12 months.   Has that capacity resulted in victory for Russia yet?  No.    And Russia is worst off economically and has diminished industrial capacity due to sanctions than when this started.   If a given industry can't get parts and technology due to sanctions and has a reduced workforce due to workers fleeing the country or being fed into the meatgrinder, just how do they intend to leverage that industrial capacity and manpower for victory.   Maybe over time but the opinion of most on this forum is Russia doesn't have the time to make the sweeping changes in industry or the military industrial complex to ensure victory.  Nor do they have the time to completely reform and restructure their armed forces.    Russia military is dying ever so slowly the death of a thousand cuts and the industrial capacity and manpower isn't going to be a timely savior as the Ukraine wolves keep tearing small pieces of the Russian bear.   Changes to salvage this situation for Russia requires changes and reforms that will take years to implement.  Not in a few short months.   Sure, Russia has shore up what it has but frankly, they seemed determine to banzai charge their way to victory, which is fundamentally a stupid way to try to achieve victory.
Having industrial capacity and manpower is not enough.  It is how you leverage it and so far, 12 months in, Russia is very poor at using it to advantage.  Hence, poorly trained, poorly armed, and poorly motivated conscripts and criminals are the thing right now; poor leadership and limited equipment are the norm.   Just when is the industrial capacity and manpower going to kick in and win this for Russia.  Maybe in some years from now but Russia doesn't have the time.   For Ukraine, its NATO tanks today... it could be F16 / Tornadoes etc. next week. 

Armor grognards....gahhh.  "Is it a tank or not a tank?"   You can call it 'Peaches' for all I care.   It is a light armored vehicle with a big horking gun on it that can kill russians.  Give it to the Ukrainians who have shown a talent for killing russians and let them kill more russians with it.   I don't give a damn whether it is considered a tank or not.   Sheesh...

Sheesh... Twiddle Dee and Twiddle Dum with a Barrett.  You two clowns do you....

Armor grognards....gahhh.  "Is it a tank or not a tank?"   You can call it 'Peaches' for all I care.   It is a light armored vehicle with a big horking gun on it that can kill russians.  Give it to the Ukrainians who have shown a talent for killing russians and let them kill more russians with it.   I don't give a damn whether it is considered a tank or not.   Sheesh...

Armor grognards....gahhh.  "Is it a tank or not a tank?"   You can call it 'Peaches' for all I care.   It is a light armored vehicle with a big horking gun on it that can kill russians.  Give it to the Ukrainians who have shown a talent for killing russians and let them kill more russians with it.   I don't give a damn whether it is considered a tank or not.   Sheesh...

Armor grognards....gahhh.  "Is it a tank or not a tank?"   You can call it 'Peaches' for all I care.   It is a light armored vehicle with a big horking gun on it that can kill russians.  Give it to the Ukrainians who have shown a talent for killing russians and let them kill more russians with it.   I don't give a damn whether it is considered a tank or not.   Sheesh...

Armor grognards....gahhh.  "Is it a tank or not a tank?"   You can call it 'Peaches' for all I care.   It is a light armored vehicle with a big horking gun on it that can kill russians.  Give it to the Ukrainians who have shown a talent for killing russians and let them kill more russians with it.   I don't give a damn whether it is considered a tank or not.   Sheesh...

Armor grognards....gahhh.  "Is it a tank or not a tank?"   You can call it 'Peaches' for all I care.   It is a light armored vehicle with a big horking gun on it that can kill russians.  Give it to the Ukrainians who have shown a talent for killing russians and let them kill more russians with it.   I don't give a damn whether it is considered a tank or not.   Sheesh...