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<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Grisha: Actually, they were using .50 MGs as sniper weapons in Korea. Even put a scope on it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Possible I guess, but I've never heard of it. But they didn't do the stuff Hathcock did with it to make it so famous. Oh well, at least we can get this topic back onto sniping, not Uberfinns again.

Secondaries, besides looking cool, could also have a little effect on gameplay. After all, the only M1 Abrams crewmember killed in the Gulf war was killed by fragments from the secondaries on an Iraqi tank several hundred yards away.

Your best course would be to CRAWL, running seems to set off more mines.

I wish I was on this board when they were making the CM1 list. I would've offered up my Grandpa's cousin that fought with the 101st at Market Garden and Bastogne.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Silvio Manuel: Hmmmm, those German flak tracks were super rare too. Something like: Wirblewind:86 Ostwind: 36 vs. Super Pershing: 25 in #'s that were produced.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I couldve sworn only 1 or 2 Supers were built.

I'm pretty sure Steve is dead set against a Pacific CM. It sure would be neat to see if anyone could defend Iwo like Gen. Kuribayashi though. Sometimes lately when I'm watching Gladiator I ponder what a Roman CM would be like. It probably wouldn't be too good because you'd have to wait for runners to deliver your orders. Just think how pissed you would be when one catches an arrow and you have to start the process over again.

I want them too.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Herr Oberst: CMPlayer, Go read some history and you'll see that those ditches along the sides of the road aren't always what they're cracked up to be... In the Battle for the Hurtgen Forest, some of the more devious German commanders had their troops litter the ditches with small schu mines (just big enough to blow off a hand or a foot, or make a good sized hole in someone). Position a machine gun farther down the road, and wait for the advancing troops to walk through the kill zone. One burst from the MG, and everyone dives for cover. Where? You guessed it. Boom, boom, boom.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> These days they line the ditches with primacord and wait till its full...

Theres a good story about this in "Panzer Commander", the autobiography of Hans Von Lucke. While serving as a regimental commander in the 21st Panzer near Caen, he located a battery of Luftwaffe 88s sitting around doing nothing in the rear lines. He ordered them to move to the front after nearly shooting the commander. Happily for him, they got into place in an orchard behind a farm field right before a full division worth of British tanks showed up. I believe this was during Operation "Goodwood". The 88s fired for like 20 minutes without being spotted while managing to torch something like 50 tanks. Von Lucke said you could see the ripples of the shells as they traveled through and over the grain.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slapdragon: That is why I laugh at Hollywood. Whenever I see a person shooting 4-8 armed enemies with a pistol I think about the number of times I missed on the combat range a target 7 meters away that caught me off guard.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> This reminds me of an assignment in school about "The Patriot". One question was "what did you learn from the movie?" She really didn't get my answers- cannons in 1778 used explosive shells and that it was possible to shoot a charging cavalryman at 200 yards with a smoothbore flintlock pistol on the first shot. I saw a demo on the history channel where a guy with a full-size musket missed a plate at 50 yeards due to the unpredictable spin of the ball. [ 06-25-2001: Message edited by: panzerwerfer42 ]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slapdragon: If he did make a 2500 yard kill, it was a once in a lifetime shot, I doubt he shot regularly over 1000 meters unless he was in Vietnam with the Marines, who did have a long range sniping program. Even then, like I said, ranged topped out at 1400 meters for M2HB machineguns with scopes, and often needed several shots even with that. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Hathcock is pretty much the God of Marine sniping legend. He had a duel with a VC sniper in the Elephant Valley, somewhat like the one fought by Vasily Zaitsev and Erwin König.

The show seems pretty good to me.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Slapdragon: A friend of mine who is an alternate sniper laughed at 2500 yard kills. Even today with match .300 Win Mag (don't get all strung out about .50 BMG, it is not accurate enough at long range) sniper shots are rarely, if ever, attempted at over a thousand meters. Some specialists in Vietnam practiced ultra long range sniping (1400 meters) but they were working in a unique environment.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Hathcock did it with a scoped M2. It was only 1 shot too.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Gyrene: Could you imagine what Carlos Hathcock's kill numbers would be if the war was in his native Arkansas? Gyrene<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> He'd probably have a few more 2500 yard long kills. 93 confirmed and 300 probables, the man sure could shoot.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Username: I bet the germans made ammo for these weapons in the 100s of millions. The round, by the way, dwarfs a 50 cal. I bet the germans used quad 20mm mounts just like the US did in Korea. The US liked the football field sized dispersion pattern of a rain of quad-50 bullets at long range (thousands of yards). I am sure the germans used these tactics on the eastern front where range presented itself. A rain of exploding 20mms coming out of the blue would terrify a defender. It would be like a mini-cluster bomb attack with no warning. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> The quad .50s could be terriffying in an indirect fire support role. The last indirect weapon knocked out at Dien Bien Phu was a quad .50 that had broken up many attacks at night with a hail like Username describes. [ 06-24-2001: Message edited by: panzerwerfer42 ]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by PzKpfw 1: Also Did I , miss a post from Steve or someone concerning price of vehichles in CM2? I keep seeing refrences to unit cost yet have seen no data from BTS concerning CM2. [ 06-24-2001: Message edited by: PzKpfw 1 ]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> He has said a fair bit about pricing. If you haven't noticed the prices will have a rarity factor attached. So that will mostly likely make the T-34 expensive, early but dirt cheap later in the war. He has said there will be 3 options, fixed, variable and none. Fixed will represent the vehicles general rarity across the entire front, variable will have an occasional cheap price to represent the few sectors that had rare vehicles serving there. He hasn't said any numbers yet though.

I was hoping that could be done in CMII.

Bump

Does anybody else think it would be nice to be able to access the mod batch files from the game menu? Would it be that hard to code a new menu to run them?

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Panzerman: I just am looking for some back ground info on how it was used. Info on the different models how the different models were used stuff like that. There chance against Soviet tanks etc.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Achtung Panzer! Lots of good info here.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Barticus: IIRC, and my memory isn't the best, Steve had specifically said there WASN'T going to be a demo this time 'round. Bart<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Actually it was Matt that said there were no plans for a beta demo at this time.

I think its because the 76 can get the job done. The 90mm has very few AP rounds, because the only time they ever saw tanks was when the Germans broke through at the Bulge. They just never got issued them.

I find nothing wrong with SMG squad rushes. Volksgrenadiers made up a large percentage of the western front divisions by late '44. Since their rifle companies were organized on the line of 2 SMG platoons and 1 rifle platoon, that would mean there were quite a few SMG squads running around. Their real life tactic was to rush the enemy defenses. Of course American artillery usually cut them down, but thats what they did in real life.

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Barticus: I agree, but I wonder how much of that was superior crew training? After all, the Israelis were STILL using Shermans to knock out T-55's even later!(ok, ok, UPGUNNED Shermans, but still Shermans ) Bart<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> U.S. training really wasn't that great back then. I remember one WWII vet on History Channel saying at tank school the instructors said the Sherman was the best tank in the world, which obviously is less than true. Training probably wasn't that good by the '50s either. The North Korean tankers had a decent amount of battle experience by the time they met green American crews down around Pusan.

My SWAG is a 14.5mm MG.