Kingfish

Try "The Creek" by Andreas and "Vines and Vineyards" by Rune. The former came with the CMAK CD, the latter can be found at Boots and Tracks

I would add to this list the 7th UK armd, 59th UK and 1st Polish, and take away 4th Can from the infantry division listing.

You know, I wouldn't dismiss the horseshoe theory all together. [ July 21, 2005, 10:25 AM: Message edited by: Kingfish ]

Don't give up on Ops, even if you never get one word of feedback from them. Sometime in the near future I plan on designing 3 huge Ops on the battle for Brest, each one depicting the area of operations and engagements of the 2nd, 8th and 29th infantry division as they assaulted the city. Each map will be the maximum size that CMBO allows for an Op, and where one map ends the other will begin, so if one was to lay them side by side you would get almost the entire battlefield. Chances are no one will ever play them, as by the time they will be released CMx2 will be out. They may end just up sitting in my HD. Am I crazy? Perhaps, but sometimes the reason a man goes fishing is not to catch fish.

Hey, I was able to organize the matchups and send out all the files while having a heart transplant. Drop Spanish Bombs an e-mail and he'll put you in the rotation.

But in the end did you enjoy putting it together? If the answer is yes, then it is a worthwhile endeavor, regardless of anything else. BTW, now that the SD has gone to the big recycle bin in the sky where does one get the CMAK version of Blut Und Ehre? [ July 20, 2005, 05:45 PM: Message edited by: Kingfish ]

Can't you just run it off of Boeing's server? I'm sure they got the HD space.

This site doesn't get into the details of equipment or training, but does show which formations were present for both sides. I wouldn't be surprised if there were lower grade troops in the south of France. Such was the case with most of the divisions deployed in Normandy and Brittany, where so-called 'static' divisions made up the majority of the 7th army. These tended to be smaller and less well equipped than the regular field divisions. A good comparison is the German 352nd and 716th Infantry divisions, which were responsible for the coast from Omaha to Sword. The former was a field division with over 12,000 men, while the latter was a static division of only +7,000 men, a third of which were Ost battalions.

Interesting little aside about 'Our backs to the Volga' and 'The Beast'. In both cases neither designer - Capdog and Harv - had any experience with scenario design, yet they both produced these two gems. In fact, I still remember several of us chatting on line at CMHQ, trying to convince Harv to add a scenario for ROW III. He was reluctant, but we eventually won him over.

Izyium Diet Plan, Early Wittman and anything that begins with ROW III, SP or B&T can be found here

Good to see Capdog's classic is still getting rave reviews. I remember testing it with Jeff smith back in the day, and I rate that as the best CMBB PBEM game I ever played.

LOL, isn't that rich. You're moving PDs around like a puck on an air hockey table and you accuse me of not engaging in details. You want to discuss details then lets do it, only at least keep it within historically realistic contents. Comments like this: "2SS was wasting time killing civilians in the south." certainly does nothing to address the mobility problems this division had to deal with just to get to Normandy. Elements of that unit were still in the south of France as late as the last week in July, and it wasn't because they were having too much fun rounding up entire villages and burning them alive. The same is true with 116th Pz. There was a reason the German high command kept them out of Normandy for so long. They were only formed in late spring, and part of it came from a badly depleted unit from the Eastern front. It suffered from a lack of mobility (same as 2SS). Also, please put to rest the the option to move Lehr to the American sector. Again, there was a reason they ended up where they did, and for so long. The German unit assigned to defend the British beaches on D-day was the 716th ID, a unit which ceased to exists after the first day. Thus the PDs were forced to cover this gap, and Lehr was one of those PDs. Could the 12th SS have been stretched to cover this sector? Sure, if they had arrived as one unit. Unfortunately they didn't, and the PL had to be inserted to cover the gap. Otherwise the Brit 7th wouldn't have bothered going around the Lehr's flank for Op Perch.

You are ignoring one very important point - the infantry divisions which would have freed the panzers for the upcoming attack didn't arrive until much later. The PDs were stuck on the line for weeks past your June 20th deadline, and when they were relieved they were in no shape to conduct offensive operations.

But who would have taken over Lehr's spot in the front? Historically it wasn't relieved off the line until sometime in July. </font>

But who would have taken over Lehr's spot in the front? Historically it wasn't relieved off the line until sometime in July.

Of course, that is the luxury of playing "What if". I don't disagree with you on the tactical benefits of defending in Normandy vs the Seine, but if the front gave way then arguing over which area is best to defend is a moot point. They would be forced to fall back to the Seine anyway since it is the next defensive line, albeit temporarily. Here I disagree. The Germans were able to bring a sizeable force down into Normandy after the 10th of June, and these included the better part of their armor reserves.

The AI cannot handle assault boats.

What, give up a short front in near-ideal defensive terrain to retreat across open ground where they would be harassed by Allied airpower and pursued by Allied armor, to get to a front almost three times as long in poorer defensive terrain? Hitler hung on to the lines in Normandy as long as there were forces there to do it. Why would he change his mind because one counterattack failed? Michael </font>

Just checked, and they both opened for me. Tell me which one you want and I'll e-mail it to you.

But Monty's whole strategy for the campaign in Normandy was to draw in the Panzer formations onto 2nd army and hold them on the line, thus freeing up the Americans to expand and breakout. It was extremely risky, but ultimately successful.

I'm not saying that the allies hoped for an early counterattack, but that they had planned for it, and had it gone off it might have worked out to their benefit in the long run. There was certainly a possibility that an early counterattack would have gone both ways. Think the 12th SS counterattack near Buron only 5 times worse for the allies -or- Think the battle for Bretteville and Norrey only 5 times worse for the Germans. If it were the latter, what would have been the result? My guess, the Germans would have pulled back behind the Orne initially, and more than likely behind the Seine within a month.

Here is the download link for Tank Warning. It is designed by Franko. If you want to experience the entire Kursk Pack, of which Tank Warning is part of, then click here. Another recommendation is "Ponyri Express" designed by Jwxspoon. 'Tis evil.

Perhaps Montgomery would have welcomed it after the build-up of his armies, but most certainly not as early as the 10th of June. </font>

I recommend you play "Tank Warning' instead.