Andreas

Or which direction it is driving and how fast. Or if is moving.

They did have them, it is just a bit unclear on whether they used them. Bazookas (while at the same time totally sweet and completely awesome) have some advantages and disadvantages over ATRs in an environment where you rarely meet an enemy tank without having a bunch of ATGs and tanks or SP guns to back you up.

Not already mentioned: 1st Guards Cavalry Corps under Belov, Moscow 1941/42 322nd Rifle Division, part of the spearhead in the L'vov Sandomierz breakthrough 1944. 3rd Mech Corps, Katukov in the Luchessa Valley 4th Tank Brigade, again Katukov at Tula 1941 (I believe this may have morphed into 3rd Mech Corps and then 1st Guards Tank Army at a later stage, but am not sure).

"Anything is possible in war" Marshal I.S.Koniev He should know...

One could argue that there is a difference between propaganda and ignorance?

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Done my duty. But complicated - whatever happened to 'vote early, vote often'?

Very good - thanks a lot Simon. Also good to see that Zhukov's memoirs are correct on that point.

Well I guess you could still count this. Officially the "Battle of Berlin" began when the Soviets crossed the Oder.</font>

Err, not quite outskirts of Berlin, since Schwedt is on the Oder, about 70km+ from Berlin (well, maybe in the US it would be an outskirt ). If it is the Schwedt I am thinking of.

Schoenhauser Allee

[Lights paper]Witmann?[Ducks and runs for cover]

I think the major difference is that the Soviets used infantry with support weapons when they had decisive local odds for them. See also this thread where I dicussed that a while back. The Germans on the northern shoulder had local odds against them.

Let's take a very simple, two-line AAR: PR 29 was equipped with 38(t), Panzer II, Panzer IV 75L24. The statement is not very detailed, so I would be interested to hear if somebody has a detailed AAR for this seemingly very interesting battle. Questions abound. How did they manage to destroy them. What does 'destroy' mean? Which 'other units'. It does point though, together with a statement by (IIRC) an officer of 7.PD in Glantz 'The early period of war' (7. PD was equipped with Panzer 35(t), Panzer II and Panzer IV 75L24) towards a possibility that early Barbarossa German tanks could handle Soviet heavies. IIRC the 7.PD chap says something like 'Yeah we figured it out how to kill them the first time, so we never developed the tank-fright.' Or somefink, just come back from drinks, and can't be bothered to dig around for the correct quote, but you get the picture. On the other hand, 13.PD has problems handling Soviet mediums and heavies and can only achieve kills by using 75L24 HE against the add-on fuel tanks on the back of the Soviet tanks. That is at long range though. Bottomline is, I am not convinced at this stage that German tankers were completely helpless against the Soviet mediums and heavies in early Barbarossa. 75 tanks is not just small change.

Zhukov in his memoirs states that Soviet attention was focused more heavily on the northern shoulder, and it was more highly fortified. That may just be a "Matsuri-go" (Japanese for 'after-the-event') excuse by Zhukov for the failure to contain II. SS Panzerkorps in the south. I don't know if that is correct or not. One big reason was that parts of the follow-on forces in the north (e.g. 12.PD) were drawn into the defense of Orel by the well-timed Red Army spoiling attack there, which turned out to be very dangerous. 12.PD had already concentrated about 35km north of the frontline, and according to its history was due to attack to reinforce the northern push as a breakthrough force.

To be honest, I do not think that would solve it, since the cost of these weapons is quite low anyway. If people want them, they will buy them. A bit like King Tigers. What would help is to have batteries instead of individual guns, with discounts if you buy batteries. So you could e.g. get a battery of four 37mm PAK35 or one 50mm PAK36. I know which one I would go for. We suggested that during beta testing, but sadly it proved to be too complicated to implement. Maybe in the rewrite.

And food, we will have food (although I will not bring the BBQ from SE23 up to city centre) IOW - bump

Would it not have been created as a standard 1943 Panzer Division? I.e. Panzer IV 75L48, and Panzer III 50L60 and 75L24?

In the Wehrmachtsausstellung are pictures from anti-partisan operations by security divisions in AG Centre AO, and they have, amongst other things, a SU-76, a T-26 IIRC and some French stuff. You could probably also give them 20mm and MG armed PSWs. Sparingly.

Never told us you were up to chapter eight yet Grisha

Personally, I think it is backers of the gold standard, and international conspirationalists that worked together to ensure Schoerner's impending demise in this game, by cleverly manipulating the ground condition, which they can do using their special, err, stuff... It is all part of the Masterplan, you know.

The real problem was an absence of 50mm ATGs, Stugs, and 50mm armed tanks in real life, all of which are routinely bought in CMBB battles. If you want to know why the T34 got its reputation with the Landser, equip the Germans with a small number of 37mm ATGs, and, err, that's it for AT work, apart from tank-hunter teams. Then bring up a large number of T34s. While the Guderian example is interesting, one should not forget that the Tank unit he met was not just technologically superior, but also commanded by one of the finest Red Army tank commanders, M.T.Katukov. Which I suppose was probably more of a problem for the Germans than the fact that their tanks had problems with getting through the T34 armour. There are statements that early war HC could not get through the Soviet armour, but these may refer to the KV1. One reason for choosing long engagement ranges for the Germans could of course have been that they then can break off the engagement if they start losing it. As e.g. 13.PD found during the first few days of its attack, when it was quite roughly handled by Rokkossovskyi's (IIRC) counter-attack.

Recognise me by looking at the picture in the linked thread, although I won't be wearing the 3-piece suit. Coldmeter, it normally is just a few drinks and a bit of 'chinwag' as the locals say, I believe. Nothing special. So basically if you want to go out on the town with your Irish mates later, you could.

I guess the Third Reich preferred real slavery.[/QB]</font>

Board also being particularly quick today...