Andreas

Where did you get this idea? FE II SS-Corps had only 15 Tigers on 11 July...</font>

Thanks, very glad you enjoyed it

Anyone have the figures for the share of Romanian oil vs. synthetic oil in the German war economy? Jason seems to forget the effect of the little known event called Iassy-Kishinyev Operation in August 1944 which knocked Romania out of the war, and with it the Ploesti oilfields. While the oilfields at this time probably no longer were at the height of production, due to being in Allied bomber range, in 1942 they certainly were not.

CMBB does include Western Front vehicles, lots of them Shermans (75 and 76) Churchills Matildas Stuarts Valentines (okay, that one is Africa only) Universal Carriers M17 GMC M5 HT M3 Scout Car Jeeps Trucks Almost more western front vehicles than CMBO.

Well, this thread says that the whole 'Germany did not really get into gear until 1944' is just a widely held myth that does not stand up to inspection of the actual numbers. Instead it looks more like a steady increase topping in 1944. Discuss

"Securing the Dropzone" for CMBO. So far "Borisovka Station" for CMBB. But I am still trying to understand what works and what does not in CMBB, so I think that will change.

That does not sound right.

Maybe you should look at the original thread and just see how he has been treated? I actually thought it was generally quite reasonable. I think there is a bit of manufacture of tradition going on here. By the way, to make this a bit more productive I am just having another sip of Macallan Elegancia, matured in Sherry casks. Nice stuff.

I amm beginning to feel like I should dig out Scheibert, and just check if KG v. Hühnersdorff actually did a 'gamey' tank rush. I don't think they did, but you never know

Now that is funny

Would you care to point us to which law you mean? As it is with almost every law, some countries doesnt sign it, which in a internet sense of case, renders the law dead. Because then the "illigal" data could be hosted by a server in a country which didnt sign the agreement.</font>

Yeah, I would not want to mess with anyone who has 'Transsylvania' in their battle honours From Skalman.nu, 13th GRD: Awards Order of Lenin Order of Red Banner x 2 Order of Suvorov Order of Kutuzov Honour titles Poltava Silesia Transylvania

There are international agreements on this. It is pretty unenforcable though. Which brings up the question, as you quite rightly seem to indicate, whether unenforcable laws have a place on the statute book. So I will now sidestep the issue somewhat. If you see these property rights not just from the lawyerly perspective (where can I sue the guy?), but from the social perspective (could it be that these rights have developed for a reason in our societies?), I think that helps. You then either accept them or not. If you don't accept them, you may create some effects by that. At the best, in this case, someone you don't particularly care about is miffed. At worst, scenarios will dry up, with the actual outcome most likely somewhere inbetween. I think this community is usually quite good about acknowledging these rights, although they would not be called that, they are 'customs', or 'the way we do things here'. As such, they constantly evolve, but the actual laws are one frame of reference in which they evolve. So in conclusion (deep breath of relief everyone), I would say that there is a bit more to it than rights, and hence it maybe a good idea to act according to custom. I wonder if this is particularly clear...

Just for the record, and thinking back of that thread. I certainly have a lot of respect for the effort he made. I think most, if not all, of the other designers who responded also expressed that. I actually think he came out of the whole thing very well.

I fully agree Oh but I will bring just that up, because it appears you are saying that because these rights don't work (which I think is open to debate) we should just forget about them, and not try to make them work? Or do I misunderstand you?

Nothing to see [ January 17, 2003, 05:30 PM: Message edited by: Andreas ]

Talk to Kip about the Ardennes trip, he'll have a story to share

What do you associate with the following words? </font> dead </font>horse </font>beat </font>But by all means continue - you have every right to do so, and apologies if it looked as if I wanted to cramp your style, or somefink. Maybe you are right and there is some life left in the old mare. Should have gone to the sausage factory a long time ago though, IMO.

Or maybe not. That discussion managed to hack off quite a few good scenario designers, but quite apart from that it was also quite finished. Steve made the final statement on it as far as I am concerned. So if Michael is concerned about DL counters, that is his right. If WWB or me want to be asked, that is our right. If someone does not give a rat's ass about what happens with their scenario, that is their right too. [ January 17, 2003, 04:37 PM: Message edited by: Andreas ]

Feel free to send me a set-up anytime. Email's in the profile. [ January 17, 2003, 01:29 PM: Message edited by: Andreas ]

10th Guards Rifle Division (forgotten the original designation), fighting in the Arctic 1941-45. One of the divisions that stopped Dietl's thrust to the Murmansk railway and then later went on to participate in the Petsamo-Kirkenes operation 1944. This info from Skalman.nu: 10th GRD Decorations: Order of Red Banner x 2 Order of Alexander Nevskiy Order of Red Star Honours (IIRC you could only get honours for offensive operations): Kirkenes Petsamo

Don't think this was ever answered. Chuikov was indeed commander of 64th Army , fighting northwest of Stalingrad, before he took over 62nd in the city itself, IIRC

I'd just like to point out here that CMBB models the fact that it is not calibre that matters, but what you do with it. More specifically, what kind of ammo you use. Early war 45mm ammo was flawed, leading to much lower penetration than would be expected. Later war, when the gun was issued either decent ammo or even Tungsten core rounds, it became a lot more useful. June 1941 AP penetration 100m @0° Fascist occupant PAK36 - 51mm Heroic defender of the Rodina 45m38 - 37mm June 1942 AP penetration 100m @0° Fascist occupant PAK36 - 51mm Heroic defender of the Rodina 45m38 - 63mm June 1943 Armour penetration 100m @0° Fascist occupant PAK36 (AP) - 51mm Fascist occupant PAK36 (Tungsten) - 90mm Fascist occupant PAK36 (Stielgranate) - 181mm Heroic defender of the Rodina 45m38 - 63mm Heroic defender of the Rodina 45m38 (Tungsten) - 97mm It is quite interesting to note that the difference in AP and HE penetration for the PAK36 is quite low, compared to the 45mm.

Rex, that screenshot reminds me of a scenario I once did

Post 1941 this is only correct for calibres above 76mm. The 76mm divisional gun was ubiquitous, with enough produced in 1942 to equip all rifle divisions twice over (as Kip could tell you). Heavy artillery was rare in CM terms because it was concentrated in RGVK regiments, and later in artillery divisions. This was to enable concentration of artillery along the main axis of attack, and facilitate breakthrough operations. If you want to play such a battle as QB, choose a Soviet Assault setting.