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Or how Peron was an arch-capitalist on the scale of Rockefeller

You are either joking, or revelling in your ignorance.

Man, you must have been very bad to deserve that... As for the original post - I completely agree with Andrew. If you want to criticise mods, be constructive. Otherwise, ask yourself if your talent reaches up to be up there on the pedestal, and if not, shut up, or put up. It takes some stomach to put a mod forward in an environment characterised by such high quality mods as CMBB is. Posts like Hofman's, or previously Maximus ritual trashing of mods are rude, unnecessary, and unwanted. They discourage new modders and old modders alike, and that is bad for the community as a whole.

You have obviously never wondered why the Wehrmacht belt buckle said "Gott mit uns", and/or never seen the pictures of German Catholic and Lutheran priests blessing weapons, men, heard of German field chaplains, etc.pp. Purges against religion in Germany were only against those who dared speak out against the regime. Fortunately enough for Adolf both official churches in Germany preferred to busy themselves blessing his weapons.

Ever heard of two chaps called Triandafilov or Tuchachevsky?

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You sodding bunch of tossers. I hope you all have a rotten Christmas, including goose-poisoning. Well, Seanachai already posts as if he has been afflicted by some vile disease of the lower intestines.

Poppycock, we all know the Russians just human-waved all of their guns to Berlin.

Don't think German warships use indicators like yours today, or during the 3rd Reich (they did during imperial times - SMS), and I am reasonably certain that in Japanese you would not have the IJN in front of e.g. 'Akagi'. That would not be necessary because all the merchant marine ships are already identified by the suffix 'Maru' (meaning 'circle' I think) behind their name. I think it is more the US and the UK who are the odd ones out?

It's so lifelike -- as if she is looking around and thinking, "Where did I put that ball-gag?" Steve</font>

Steve, good on you. I am just sorry it all happens at the same time. The CompUSA stuff and now this. It never rains, but pours it seems.

Post diarrhoea again Sneezygorm?

Well, the sort of fortifications that were attacked by these guns are not really in the game. You are talking about the huge fortresses at Sevastopol. Other than that, AIUI these guns and mortars would be used mostly for deep interdiction missions. They were not really flexible enough to be used in close support. You can simulate them in game by choosing a massively damaged map though

Walker, thanks a lot - I am not worried at all though by the discussion. You show me a perfect translation, and I'll have an argument with you about it . I think the discussion is quite valuable to learn something about doing it better next time (if there is a next time).

Sure that Okinawa is not considered Japan proper? It was a recent addition (1870ish or somefink), but still. Unlike Korea (1910ish?) and Taiwan (1890ish?) it stayed with Japan afterwards too. It is very different historically from outlying islands the Japanese took from the Germans. Figures I heard for Okinawa reached up to 100k dead civilians, although we will never know if that is close to correct or far too high. I'd certainly include it in Japanese civilian casualties.

If you talk about the Nahevrteidigungswaffe, it is modelled, and quite effective.

Dave, Rostik, it is slightly bad form to post information on pirated download opportunities on a software producer's forum (I am sure Sunflowerfarmblödi sees that differently too). I think it would be good if you could edit your posts to remove that information.

I think the question here is more 'Is the total civilian death figure too low?' for different reasons than that most of Japan was not fought over. 370k seems very low considering the following single incidents: </font> Hiroshima </font>Nagasaki </font>Okinawa </font>Tokyo firebombing </font>I would have thought these alone may account for 300-400k dead Japanese civilians.

Time to dredge this one up from the netherworlds of the forum. I have not really had time to think through all that has been said here. I agree that the initial statement was simplistic to some degree (intentionally so - I do not really know any better, and it was to start off a debate). I certainly have learned quite a bit from the discussion, so thanks to all who posted.

I agree, seems low to me. Those may just be the confirmed casualties though, and may also not include long-term deaths from cancer in Nagasaki and Hiroshima.

Sometimes this forum is positively surreal. Has Sunflower Farmboy really written that post? I would still like to think it is a figment of my imagination...

Sorry, the last point does not really make sense (all that Caipirinha with ParaJochen last night is still clouding my brain). Are you saying that it is relative reliability that counts? Regarding the original point - the division was probably very positively surprised about the fact they had no Panzer fall out off the march, which is why they mention it in the history. How many straight 800km road marches were there in the desert? How many 38(t) were in the desert (don't think there were any)? Maybe those were just very reliable little buggers, compared to the II, III and IV? Especially later with the uparmouring on the III and IV, that can't have done the engines any good. Again, I am still not quite clear what the early war tanks have to do with the comparative reliability of the Tiger and the Sherman in 1944? I fully accept that you know more about it than I do, so if you could find the time to explain, I would like to hear the reasoning.

Cough cough... Now now... They did not exactly advance through those countries with Panthers, over-armoured Mk. IV specials and Tigers, now did they? It appears that lack of reliability did play a role in getting them to Moscow though, judging from what I read about losses to the Panzergroups in summer 1941, due to wear and tear. Interesting aside (why not?) - when 12.PD conducted a road march from near Smolensk to near Leningrad (800km) they did not lose a single tank on the march - these being 38(t) and early (i.e. light-weight) Mk. IV.

AG North was fighting for the Baltic states, to which it had withdrawn in February 44. It was cut off as a consequence of Bagration, with contact only re-established for a few days in autumn by a counter-attack of Grossdeutschland. It then became AG Courland. AG South was actually split in AG North Ukraine and AG South Ukraine then. AG North Ukraine (where the Panzers lived) was smashed by Koniev in the Lvov/Sandomierz operation in July-September timeframe, featuring a feat of derring-do, in which 3rd Guards Tank Army was inserted in a 4x5km breakthrough sector, never attempted before or repeated since, or somefink. AG South Ukraine died in a few days in late August following Timoshenko's onslaught in the Iassy/Kishinjev operation. All from memory, so the usual IIRC/AIUI/ISTR caveats apply. Regarding British civilian deaths - following a visit to the Cabinet War Rooms I can confirm the number of ~61k dead in Britain. About 30k of those in London alone.

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