Broadsword56 Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 :mad: I've devoted many patient hours to making custom battle maps for other games in the past. But the highway tiles in the CMBN map editor are driving me (no pun intended) to distraction! Even after reading the highway tutorial (thanks for posting), I'm only more lost and frustrated with all this selecting, rotating and flipping to make so many different pieces match properly. I may have to abandon mapping entirely until someone posts a video tutorial, or one even more detailed and step-by-step. I can't believe how complicated it is to fit all those tiles together, and how anti-user the editor is in this aspect. Why in the world can't we have an editor that just lets us "paint" the highways and roads as lines, like other game editors do? But, if it has to be this way, it certainly would have helped to have more than the nearly nonexistent instructions in the manual. I give up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted June 7, 2011 Share Posted June 7, 2011 It's easy, really. Just do this: Got any questions? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankster65 Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Map making is a skill needing patience. Don't give up just yet. Take your time, fool around and test, you will soon get the hang of it. It really is a creative and powerful editor, both the map editor and the scenario editor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjkerner Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Broadsword, I eventually got to where working the road tiles are almost second nature...try, rinse, repeat ad nauseum. If I can get it, I know you can. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadsword56 Posted June 8, 2011 Author Share Posted June 8, 2011 Thanks for the encouragement -- I'm continuing to tinker, and eventually I think I'll get it worked out. I think the learning curve on this particular aspect caught me by surprise. The rest of the editor seems pretty easy to work with. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I'm the guy who figured out and corrected the original CMSF highway tiles (they were a real mess) and put together the tutorial. And even I get flummoxed by them! Its always "Oh damn, where's that darned tutorial?" Whenever I touch the highways. They work, and once you finally get going they're pretty easy to construct. But their level of complexity simply bumps up against the limits of my I.Q. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 "Oh damn, where's that darned tutorial?" Whenever I touch the highways. There is a tutorial? Link please:) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Scroll down, its the first download http://www.battlefront.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=314&func=select&id=41 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Canadian Cat Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Scroll down, its the first download http://www.battlefront.com/index.php?option=com_remository&Itemid=314&func=select&id=41 Excellent. Some how I missed that file thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadsword56 Posted June 8, 2011 Author Share Posted June 8, 2011 What's getting me stuck are Steps 4 and 5 of the tutorial, placing the shoulder tiles -- in the images, the tile types seem to suggest that the sand-colored wedge shape in the corner represents terrain and the black part of the tile represents pavement. But when those tiles are applied, the sandy colored area of the tile icon is pavement too -- so I get a jagged highway. I can't seem to find the right tiles that have just a smidge of border on them, for those little edges of the highway. Also: Why is a highway paved with bricks? French highways were asphalt in 1944, like ours. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 Also: Why is a highway paved with bricks? French highways were asphalt in 1944, like ours. Asphalt wasn't widely used in France until after the war, especially in the less central areas like Normandy. Macadam was probably the most common pavement type at the time. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadsword56 Posted June 8, 2011 Author Share Posted June 8, 2011 Asphalt wasn't widely used in France until after the war, especially in the less central areas like Normandy. Macadam was probably the most common pavement type at the time. OK, I'm not a pavement grog -- but in looking at Macadam, the appearance is really more like packed fine gravel than a brick road. It's a smooth surface but lighter colored than asphalt. So, for Norman highways, shouldn't we really be using a double course of gravel road to get the right appearance? And in that case we also wouldn't need to worry about getting brick patterns to match up. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 I don't think there were such things as Norman highways in 1944 if by highways one means a German type autobahn. Don't think of them as highways but more as boulevards in a city like St.Lo or Caen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadsword56 Posted June 8, 2011 Author Share Posted June 8, 2011 I'm doing the St Lo-Isigny highway at the moment. It shows on the 1947 aerial photos as a very bright white strip (b/w image). Looks to be approx 10m wide, so one tile's width should be sufficient. Looks to me like "Paved 1" is more the ticket. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dingchavez Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 you can use stoned roads to represent the oldest streets of some large town/cities. This is quite comon in what we call the "vieille ville "(ancien city, often medieval or even older). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 When I was a kid growing up in Maine (U.S.A.) there were still a lot of 'tar' country roads. Hardpack dirt with a binding of sprayed on tar. What a mess, especially on a hot day. Sort of a poor man's 'macadam'. My father pointed out that a large stretch of highway 1 running through the state had been "cordury" road - dirt over cut timbers - until only recently! The 'good old days' are closer than we imagine them to be, only a few decades. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 When I was a kid growing up in Maine (U.S.A.) there were still a lot of 'tar' country roads. Hardpack dirt with a binding of sprayed on tar. What a mess, especially on a hot day. Sort of a poor man's 'macadam'. Tarmac is Tar-Macadam. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted June 8, 2011 Share Posted June 8, 2011 When I was a kid growing up in Maine (U.S.A.) there were still a lot of 'tar' country roads. Hardpack dirt with a binding of sprayed on tar. What a mess, especially on a hot day. Sort of a poor man's 'macadam'. My father pointed out that a large stretch of highway 1 running through the state had been "cordury" road - dirt over cut timbers - until only recently! The 'good old days' are closer than we imagine them to be, only a few decades. And they are still huge fans of the fire lane...no tar whatsoever, just packed dirt. I remember my brother getting us stuck in some sugar sand one day in Standish, when his tire went off the "road". LOL...about 4 hours later we were driving again. Damn, man...that was like 81 I think. Mord. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoolaman Posted June 10, 2011 Share Posted June 10, 2011 A Normandy highway would not be this wide, the regular paved road tile will do fine for a two lane highway. The highway tiles are hand-me-downs from CMSF where you had eight lane modern highways. The cobbled highway makes a better Parisian boulevard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Broadsword56 Posted June 10, 2011 Author Share Posted June 10, 2011 Great advice, thanks. I'm doing just fine with "Paved1" for my major roads, and finding it very fast and easy to use. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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