SD Smack Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 So I see that the M10 has a .50 cal and it even has ammo for its .50 cal but can the commander actually use it?? I have tried to engage targets with it but it only fires its main gun and coax. Anyone have any luck with this? Steve-o 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie_Oz Posted May 20, 2011 Share Posted May 20, 2011 I think you'd need to be "Open Up" 'ed Also can the 50 cal fire forwards? looking at pictures it seems it can only fire to the rear ? Check this one: it mentions rotating the turret to the rear to fire the 50 forward http://www.ww2f.com/armor-armored-fighting-vehicles/22712-brassing-off-kraut-us-m10-tank-destroyers.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASL Veteran Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 The .50 cal will only engage targets to the rear of the turret as 'opportunity fire'. If you let the vehicle turn the turret to engage targets to the front with the .50 cal it would get very confusing for the AI tank commander very quickly. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Smack Posted May 21, 2011 Author Share Posted May 21, 2011 OK awesome, thanks....I had noticed that there was no "light fire" available plus the location of the .50 cal would cause the gunner to get out of the turret which based on all the animation that i had seen before (CMSF) I didnt expect them to shoot it, but I didnt know. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 I think that .50 was intended for AA defense, although historically, Audie Murphy put it to good use against German infantry at the expense of his hide...he stood on the rear deck of a brewing up TD (M-10 or M-36 I can't recall which) and used the weapon to break up an infantry attack. AFAIK That's about the only practical way to fire the .50 forward, is from the rear deck. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie_Oz Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Just make sure the crew compartment is empty, I would think being in front of and underneath the muzzle of a 50cal would be rather loud ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GSX Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 I think that .50 was intended for AA defense, although historically, Audie Murphy put it to good use against German infantry at the expense of his hide...he stood on the rear deck of a brewing up TD (M-10 or M-36 I can't recall which) and used the weapon to break up an infantry attack. AFAIK That's about the only practical way to fire the .50 forward, is from the rear deck. I'm not sure the same shouldn't apply to the Shermans. Wasn't their 50 cal mounted as AA and only useable from outside the turret? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bastables Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 I'm not sure the same shouldn't apply to the Shermans. Wasn't their 50 cal mounted as AA and only useable from outside the turret? CM has this modeled on the later M4A3 deployed to normandy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 The M-5A1's .30 cal is also for AA use and difficult to use against ground targets from the hatch...not impossible, I suppose, but would likely require the TC to have so much of his body out the hatch as to be almost completely exposed anyway. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7thGalaxy Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Is this the reason for that scene in BoB where the sherman reinforcements all have their commanders standing on the deck? I always thought that was a little odd. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie_Oz Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Is this the reason for that scene in BoB where the sherman reinforcements all have their commanders standing on the deck? I always thought that was a little odd. No that was just because it looks macho 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baneman Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Yeah, if the Germans had had even 1 MG42 firing back to cover their buddies retreat, those guys would have felt pretty sick 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magpie_Oz Posted May 21, 2011 Share Posted May 21, 2011 Yeah, if the Germans had had even 1 MG42 firing back to cover their buddies retreat, those guys would have felt pretty sick Even a myopic 16 year old with a 1914 model rifle. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
7thGalaxy Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 So that was rarely done? I assumed so when I saw it. Does anyone know of a website which examines BoB from the point of realism? I'd rather like to know what was exaggerated (most of it I assume?) and what was fairly realistic in the series. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 From what I've read the .50 placement was pretty much universally despised so if you hate it too its historically accurate. It appears if your unbuttoned M10 TC sees a threat to his rear he'll hop on the .50 cal and take care of it while waiting for the turret to slowly rotate. Otherwise there's no 'target light' and no coax mg. The M10 really doesn't want to be used as a tank. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MeatEtr Posted May 23, 2011 Share Posted May 23, 2011 You guys should have seen it several versions back, the crew would swing the turret around to use the 50 cal far too often. Not good when there's enemy tanks lurking around. Made worse with the slow traverse of the turret. I had a few hair pulling occasions with the turret facing the opposite direction when confronted by an enemy tank. :eek: Maybe there should be a light target order available for the M10. Obviously for times when the player wants to manually use the 50 cal. But as for the TacAI attempting to choose when to, I for one am very happy it doesn't. Reply to Smacks first post, there is no coax MG on the M10, just the main gun and rear facing 50. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SD Smack Posted May 23, 2011 Author Share Posted May 23, 2011 Oh no coax....learn something new all the time! Steve-o 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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