Knaust1 Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Does CMBN consider underbelly vulnerability? That is, thinner hull bottom armor exposed when AFV drives forward over walls or hedgerows (bocage). Are tanks with Cullin hedgerows device considered in CMBN? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mord Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 There are hedge cutters in the game...yes. Armor is modeled, as far as I know, as it would be on the tank represented...for example, a Panther would have armor values in all areas as it would in real life. So yes, the bottom will be weaker than say the front and the trajectory of a shell will be traced to an exact location when it hits. Mord. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sivodsi Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 I would say 'yes' Check out the VAAR 1, you can see hedge cutters attached to some Shermans. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AslakH Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 More importantly: Will the Kampfraumheizung on the Panther be modelled? I want it..! I need it! But, yes. To both of the OPs questions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barkhorn1x Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 I would say 'yes' Check out the VAAR 1, you can see hedge cutters attached to some Shermans. Yep and they are listed in the TO&E for Sherman models and the M5 Stuart. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawomi Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 More importantly: Will the Kampfraumheizung on the Panther be modelled? I want it..! I need it! ... For what do you need a Kampfraumheizung in summer? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AslakH Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Could get quite nippy in the morning when it's raining. Would be good to know that my crew is nice and warm. It'd be a shame if they had to use diesel-burners to heat the tank, and get all covered in thick, smelly soot. Or..? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawomi Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 More importantly: Will the Kampfraumheizung on the Panther be modelled? I want it..! I need it! ... For what do you need a Kampfraumheizung in summer? [apart from the fact that it was officially introduced in October 1944 and CMBN covers only the time till end of September...] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AslakH Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 I fear you are mistaken, sawomi. If you have Panzer Tracts No. 5-2 (Panzerkampfwagen "Panther Ausführung A), it does not agree with you. Or did you just google it? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baneman Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 aaaannd can you tell those of us who don't know wtf a "Kampfraumheizung" is, what it is ? Thanks Wikipedia and Google both failed ( or brought back german language sites which in my case, doesn't help ) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AslakH Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Crew Compartment Heater. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AslakH Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Almost every single Panther A had the Kampfraumheizung. Perhaps you are thinking about the improved heating on the later Ausf. G? Case closed. And it was a non-case anyways. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawomi Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Rain at morning in European summer means overcast sky in night, and that means the night was not cold. Normandy is not Sahara. Your troops are happy about the fresh breeze in the morning before a more or less hot day at this time. Don't have this book about A version, so I can't counter-check, but sounds interesting. A Kampfraumheizung is a heater for tanks, as the name says. '= combat space ( in the meaning of 'room') heater'. Kampfraumheizung is something developed for Russian winters not French summers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AslakH Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Well, it was present on most Ausf. As (can't say anything about the initial vehicles). I am intrigued as to where you got the October 1944 date from. Kampfraumheizung wasn't really that innovative in October 1944. Might have been on some Popov tank, but those weren't about comfort. I don't know about Sahara, but there are still cold mornings in Europe. That's at least my experience from living outside everywhere in the summer. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scheer Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Heizungsgrog ... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elmar Bijlsma Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 This device shows you why the Germans lost the war. They were fiddling about with a kampfraumheizung device to warm themselves while the Brits worked on the WASP, also a device to warm up Germans. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawomi Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 To be honest, I don't have personal expierience of Normandy in Summer, because I never was there at this time. But I live in Thuringia, which is 'known' in Germany because it is more 'continental' when it comes to climate then rest of the country because of it's 'geographical features' (lowland basin surrounded by mountains). Normandy is next to the Golf Stream, so I'm pretty shure the summer nights are warmer in summer then in Thuringia, especialy when the sky is overcast in night. October 44 is at least introducing date for Ausführung D. I've read it long ago in CMBO/BB-times somewhere. Kampfraumheizung for Normandy is 'Quatsch'. For 'Bulge' it is another topic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawomi Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 This device shows you why the Germans lost the war. They were fiddling about with a kampfraumheizung device to warm themselves while the Brits worked on the WASP, also a device to warm up Germans. Have a look at what they where fiddling also. Or at least what Ami-intelligence was thinking they where fiddling with at this time. Also Germany on the ground was in war with Soviets and some 'sideshows' in WWII. Remember winter 1941 before Moscow? http://www.amazon.com/Hitlers-Suppressed-Still-Secret-Weapons-Technology/dp/1931882738 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 I hate to get off track by getting back on track, but underbelly and top deck armor thicknesses are modelled. Though its next-to-impossible to take advantage sometimes you get lucky. Nothing warms the heart like watching a Tiger moving down a steep slope presenting that lovely 25mm top hull plate to your gun. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cymru Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 More importantly: Will the Kampfraumheizung on the Panther be modelled? I want it..! I need it! But, yes. To both of the OPs questions. Even more importantly, will the British tanks have built-in tea brewers? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stitch Posted April 21, 2011 Share Posted April 21, 2011 Would be good to know that my crew is nice and warm. It'd be a shame if they had to use diesel-burners to heat the tank, and get all covered in thick, smelly soot. Or..? It sure does sound like you're talking about something else. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 Normandy is next to the Golf Stream, so I'm pretty shure the summer nights are warmer in summer then in Thuringia, especialy when the sky is overcast in night. Keep in mind that June-July 1944 was unusually cold and stormy. Photos of GIs in Normandy show them in woolen shirts and trousers with field jackets and sometimes gloves. It was a chilly summer until August came along. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RogCBrand Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 Keep in mind that June-July 1944 was unusually cold and stormy. Photos of GIs in Normandy show them in woolen shirts and trousers with field jackets and sometimes gloves. It was a chilly summer until August came along. Michael Sounds like a fairly common Summer in the Northwest! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 Sounds like a fairly common Summer in the Northwest! Yeah, at least for the last four years. Brrrrr. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sawomi Posted April 22, 2011 Share Posted April 22, 2011 Keep in mind that June-July 1944 was unusually cold and stormy. Photos of GIs in Normandy show them in woolen shirts and trousers with field jackets and sometimes gloves. It was a chilly summer until August came along. Michael That is the argument I was expecting. Have nothing to counter. So, battlefront, I have tried my best, but it seems you have to include this schwule Kampfraumheizung for Panthers, or your game will be broken beyond recognition right from the start. (as always) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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