hellfish Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 A friend of mine is a new cav scout in Germany. He hates being assigned to Bradleys too. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperial Grunt Posted August 10, 2006 Share Posted August 10, 2006 AAVs can make you sick, especially when they splash off of the well deck and bob their way to shore. Puke buckets are a must have. And the doctrinal troop capacity is 25 combat loaded Marines plus one more. There is always room for one more Marine. Always. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincere Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 I was goin to ask if there were any forum guys who were familiar with the Bradley. Thinking along the lines of the Brit AFV432 I was thinking that there seems to be alot of fuss about lack of space, and guessing operationally they probably just cram a few extra guys in the back. Then I saw some photos of the Bradley's interior. But still I wonder if operationally does an extra guy or two squeeze in? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 As Imperial Grunt said, where there is a will there is a way! I've read about extras lying on the laps of those seated, lying on the floor, etc. Yeah, you can cram more than the official load, but it comes with a price and therefore is (generally) only for unusual circumstances. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincere Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Yeah, you can cram more than the official load, but it comes with a price and therefore is (generally) only for unusual circumstances. We (Brit unit) used to do it all the time with many vehicle types; but I have to admit it was usually over short distances. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 We (Brit unit) used to do it all the time with many vehicle types;If you mean equipment, food, ammo, etc... yeah, that is SOP all the time, every time from what I can tell. I was specifically talking about craming extra soldiers. Were you as well? Obviously peacetime conditions and short distances is a bit different than wartme and day in, day out stuff. Still, interesting to hear. If you were talking personnel, what was the reason for needing to cram more guys in? Too many LRs in the shop? Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincere Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 I was specifically talking about craming extra soldiers. Were you as well? Obviously peacetime conditions and short distances is a bit different than wartme and day in, day out stuff. Still, interesting to hear. If you were talking personnel, what was the reason for needing to cram more guys in? Too many LRs in the shop? Yeah, I was talking guys. I was actually recalling a live fire exercise in Canada where I spent a lot of time riding around with the grunts. It seems that memory played a trick on me: I just checked my facts an the FV432 has a paper rating of carrying 10 plus 2 crew. I now recall that 8 plus crew was cramped; but I remember extra guys crammed on the floor for some final advances. I also recall times when LRs were like a cramming competition; 8 with kit, beer crates and a fresh Christmas tree . And Lynx often carrying more than spec. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hellfish Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Kinda like the M113 - rated at 11+2 but I'll be damned if you could even breathe with more than 8 guys in the back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imperial Grunt Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Usually an AAV will just have a squad (13 Marines if full T/O) and one or two crew served weapons teams such as a SMAW team and a machinegun team (6 more Marines). A corpsman might be in there as well. So the 20 or so combat loaded Marines usually in an AAV are less than doctrine. What doctrine does not take into account is the room taken up by extra cases of ammo, water cans, cases of MREs, expendables (such as batteries), etc...Plus the AAV itself has a crew of three Marines, and their gear and weapons are inside the vehicle as well. So that works okay until one track breaks down or gets taken out. Then you have to crossdeck the troops and then the "just one more" rule comes into full effect. The new EFV has a smaller troop compartment as compared to an AAV. So when that thing comes online, I think the Company Gunny's will invent the "just four more" rule. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 If you read Prof. Richard Holmes' "Dusty Warriors", he recounts an instance where two Warrior MICVs (specified capacity 7 in the back) carried 23 soldiers out of a contact. Considering how much (or little) space there is in the back of a Warrior, that must have been a serious feat. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Oy mate, is that a roll of tenpence coins pressing into my back or are you just happy to see me? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted August 11, 2006 Share Posted August 11, 2006 Originally posted by fytinghellfish: Kinda like the M113 - rated at 11+2 but I'll be damned if you could even breathe with more than 8 guys in the back. Irrelevant to CM:SF, but it gets worse when the troops are in winter kit... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted August 12, 2006 Share Posted August 12, 2006 Bigduke6, Some years ago, I got to visit the motor pool at Ft. Benning with my then platoon sergeant brother. No M1s running that day, but I found the M88 to be quite the roaring, snorting monster--until they fired up a Bradley! Couldn't believe the racket that thing made. No wonder the Scouts were envious of the Luchs crews they met! From the limited footage I've seen, the Stryker's practically silent by comparison. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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