Tiger Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 ...is it doesn't seem to have a lot of replay value like the CMBO demo did. or maybe I'm just getting old.... -john [ September 05, 2002, 06:52 PM: Message edited by: Tiger ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt. Ryan Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 I agree, but this demo doesn't have to keep you occupied for months. You can have the full version by the end of the month. I think the demo was just intended to show off some of the new features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danvnuk Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 hmmmmm, I have to agree with you there. But I think the reason behind this, rather than anything negative regarding CMBB is that CMBO (when the demo came out) was so revolutionary to anything we'd seen before, I remember being amazed at the detail (with the stock CM graphics ) CMBO is a much enhanced game but we've all been spoilt by the original! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Dorosh Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 Madmatt stated very explicitly the rationale behind the demo in a recent post - it was not to provide a balanced situation, just a sneak peak at the game and how some of the improvements work. If I've misquoted him with this paraphrase, apologies in advance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Makes The Jelly Judder Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 Hmm, when I played the CMBO demo over a year ago it really grabbed me and was the single biggest factor in my decision to buy the game. I must have played chance encounter 100 times. Sure the new demo shows those familiar with CMBO what some of the new features are but does it have that something special that will drag in the new punters? Surely the whole point of the demo is to generate new interest in the game? It’s very nice of BTF to give the fans a demo that they will enjoy but..Well basically we're a sure thing so wouldn't it be better for BTF to produce a demo that would attract newbie’s? I kinda found the demo scenarios a bit frustrating at first, perhaps this will be multiplied 100X for newbie’s and they will just give up and not buy the full game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danvnuk Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 I think that if I'd never played CMBO and downloaded the CMBB demo, I'd probably be just as entranced as I was with the original. There's nothing else like this game out there. If your into WW2 in any way this game has got to be a must have. [ September 05, 2002, 07:19 PM: Message edited by: danvnuk ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Posted September 6, 2002 Author Share Posted September 6, 2002 I think Makes The Jelly Judder hit the nail on the head. -john Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Poobear Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 I'm hoping that all the games scenarios are just soooo good that they didn't want to waste one of them on the demo, so they gave us these! PS. I love this game and fully realize that I am an ungrateful bastard! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
demoss Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 I don't know - I'm hoping Citadel Schwerpunkt makes it onto the CD, because it could be outstanding as the heart of an armor/anti-armor tutorial. Start with the default setup for the Russians. Okay, here's how NOT to set up a defense with this equipment. B^) Try it, and see what's wrong with it. And go from there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diceman Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 The two demos do a very good job of showing off the new game features, but a good Wild Bill Wilder suspense thriller would do more to capture the imaginations of first time players. Unfortunately, to add one to the demo, you'd either need to add some 1941 era armor to the Germans, or 1943 era infantry to both sides. The two scenarios do a good job of giving players a taste of '41, and '43, but just a taste. Not enough TO&E to get real fancy. Of course, making a complex scenario would have made the download that much larger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wacky Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 Originally posted by Makes The Jelly Judder: Hmm, when I played the CMBO demo over a year ago it really grabbed me and was the single biggest factor in my decision to buy the game. I must have played chance encounter 100 times. Sure the new demo shows those familiar with CMBO what some of the new features are but does it have that something special that will drag in the new punters? Surely the whole point of the demo is to generate new interest in the game? It’s very nice of BTF to give the fans a demo that they will enjoy but..Well basically we're a sure thing so wouldn't it be better for BTF to produce a demo that would attract newbie’s? I kinda found the demo scenarios a bit frustrating at first, perhaps this will be multiplied 100X for newbie’s and they will just give up and not buy the full game.Who is BTF? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt. Ryan Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 Originally posted by Captain Wacky: Who is BTF?Big Time Footware. I think they are branching out or somefink. [ September 05, 2002, 09:16 PM: Message edited by: Pvt. Ryan ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
manchildstein (ii) Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 the drawback to this demo - compared with the cmbo demo - is that neither scenario has combined arms for both sides. in the cmbo demo both scenarios had combined arms for both sides... the actual cmbb game is going to be a blast though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Harrison Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 Would have to agree on that the lack of replay value. Like stated though, perhaps it is because we have played CM so much that we are not learning how to do new things all over again; its just learning a few new tricks. When we all got the CMBO Gold Demo, it was learning a new game from scratch. Everything was new and exciting and it took some time to learn. However, perhaps some other scenario possibilities could be looked at for future versions of the demo. My biggest suggestion there would be one with a meeting engagement feel to it, and a attacking battle with something besides green/consrcipt troops. Someone new to CM could get very frustrated in that scenario, see it as an impossible game, and never buy CMBB solely because Yelinia Stare was such a hard attack. Shoot, after all this time, I had a hard time with it and almost gave up on it! Chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Harrison Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 Originally posted by Makes The Jelly Judder: I kinda found the demo scenarios a bit frustrating at first, perhaps this will be multiplied 100X for newbie’s and they will just give up and not buy the full game.My point exactly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K_Tiger Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 Whats about a limmited QB-szenario-builder?? Or some goodies like a Sturmmörser, some Offboard-arty, 2-3 lines of trenches.. No question, we hardcore wargamers will buy the game if they presented us a demo were two Kübelwagen start a race on the road to moskow... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foobar Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 Back in the day.. There were 2 bonus scenarios The original Reisberg and Last Defense, were followed by CHANCE ENCOUNTER (fanfare) and VALLEY OF TROUBLE (fanfare to a slightly lesser extent) Perhaps if we play our cards right, they will put a balanced gem like Chance Encounter up for download, to show off the play possibilities to the neophytes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chad Harrison Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 Originally posted by K_Tiger: Whats about a limmited QB-szenario-builder?? Or some goodies like a Sturmmörser, some Offboard-arty, 2-3 lines of trenches.. No question, we hardcore wargamers will buy the game if they presented us a demo were two Kübelwagen start a race on the road to moskow... Thats the best idea I have yet to hear. That would be great to fully introduce someone to the fullness of CM! Chad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozzieboy Posted September 6, 2002 Share Posted September 6, 2002 I have to agree. Personally, as much as I would like another demo scenario, I will be buying CMBB anyway. I have played CMBO right from the beta demo days, and have always been a CM fanboy. However, what attracted me to CM in the first place was PBEM, and played CMBOs demo scenarios dozens of time against other people. The scenarios in the CMBB demo are not really good for this, IMO. If I were a newbie all over again, I might not see the value of playing against a human opponent in this demo alone, and might have skipped CM altogether. I am pre-ordering CMBB as soon as I can, but I really think it would have been to BTS' commercial benefit to include are more interesting PBEM scenario in the demo. Christian Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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