Solution_Unknown Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 I can't seem to get my tanks to use up their HE rounds during a QB. Each turn I order them (Allies/Axis) to shoot with main gun. They might let off a round of HE and then they stop. Sometimes I finish a battle with almost 50% of my HE load. How can I get them to engage with main gun rounds and use them up by the end of the battle? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 Why do you want to? You can give them an area fire order. Otherwise, they will shoot as long as they think they need to in order to deal with the unit they are firing at, deal with meaning break etc, and then save their ammo for more important things. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted January 20, 2006 Share Posted January 20, 2006 This might have to do with dust. In CMAK, if the HE shell falls between your unit and the target you've given to it, it can kick up a dust cloud that blocks the LOS to target and the unit ceases fire. Depends on how dry the ground is. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solution_Unknown Posted January 21, 2006 Author Share Posted January 21, 2006 It's not a question of dust. I just want my tanks to use up their HE load before the end of the battle. I am not using 'area fire'...I am directing them, each turn, to shoot 'main gun HE' at infantry...They will often shoot one round of HE for that turn and then they revert back to machine guns. Again, I finish the battle with about 50% of my HE still unused...Any tips? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Originally posted by Solution_Unknown: I am not using 'area fire'...Why? :confused: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David I Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Solution, Area fire is key! Placing 75mm HE next to a target is as good as, or sometimes better than, targeting the unit directly. DavidI 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 And yet again I ask, since you didn't answer, why do you want to fire off all your HE? "I just want to end with no HE" is a silly non answer. What are you trying to accomplish? (You do know that running your ammo to zero can force an early ceasefire, right?) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vossiewulf Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 The infantry is taking cover in response to the tank fire, and when they do, the tank loses sight of them and stops firing. That is why, as noted above, you should always use an area target as close to the infantry position as possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdstrike Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 ...or have friendly infantry nearby to pinpoint enemy infantry in cover. They are also useful to finish off the unit when it is routed by the shelling. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted January 21, 2006 Share Posted January 21, 2006 Or, the infantry being fired at is already broken, and it is a waste of ammo to keep firing at them. If you want to waste it, area fire will waste it. But you don't in fact want to, unless you are stupid or something. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanonier Reichmann Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Perhaps Jason he simply wants to use up all his HE ammo just for the hell of it? It's only a game after all and not life or death. Just like I may want to someday pitch a force of 50 MG Jeeps against a platoon of Pz IVH's just to see what could happen, it might be fun. No harm done & even though it in no way represents real life it's simply doing it just for a bit of a laugh. You should try it someday. Regards Jim R. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 Then why did he object to being told to use area fire? He did, he said he wanted to use it all up without using area fire. See his second post. We need another sentence from him, about what he thinks he is accomplishing and why it matters to him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Other Means Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 It's not "I'm not using area fire" = I'm making a stand against area fire, it's "I'm not using area fire" = should I? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stikkypixie Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 I think he feels that HE is more effective to kill infantry than mg's and wants his tanks to fight as efficiently as possible. [ January 22, 2006, 11:54 AM: Message edited by: stikkypixie ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zmoney Posted January 22, 2006 Share Posted January 22, 2006 How funny, everyone’s speculating on what he meant to say. Well here is my speculation, I think he just for what ever reason wants to end a game with no HE. There’s no reason behind it other than he wants to end the game with no HE. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Please reread my first post. Thank you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdstrike Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Originally posted by zmoney: How funny, everyone’s speculating on what he meant to say. Well here is my speculation, I think he just for what ever reason wants to end a game with no HE. There’s no reason behind it other than he wants to end the game with no HE. I'd recommend using some early British cruiser tanks for such - always at the end of my battles, they have not a single HE round left. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Enigma Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 HE is for girls ... Cruisers firing all there AP ammo off at the Italians is the Man's way to take care of those spaghetti munching cowards 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted Posted January 23, 2006 Share Posted January 23, 2006 Isn't it also true that as the fewer rounds you have left the slower the rate of fire will be? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
birdstrike Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Originally posted by Ted: Isn't it also true that as the fewer rounds you have left the slower the rate of fire will be? Judging from what I recall from my CMAK battles... I would say that depends. I got the feeling that tanks (and guns, too IIRC) tend to lower their rate of fire or cease firing completely when running low on ammo (for the main gun that is - MGs are not affected), though this is mainly true for shooting at targets that can't shoot back. Any unit that poses a threat is attacked with the normal (high) ROF - up to the point when - because of lack of the appropriate ammo - a crew resorts to hammering a tank with HE or an ATG with AP rounds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Enigma Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 talking of HE ... anyway to get my Churchill tanks sporting a 95mm gun to fire there HE ammo at these enemy panthers instead of there hollow charge ammo which aint doing anything? (would a bit of high explosive do the job?) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Errh... what makes you think that HE would be nearly as effective as HEAT? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Enigma Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 not saying it would be effective or even calling it a heat round but would a nice 95mm high explosive shell at least rough the crew up that tank ... shock them a bit etc while i can move some of my 6pounder armed churchills up for the 'kill'. At any rate it was just a thought 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Other Means Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 Originally posted by Sergei: Errh... what makes you think that HE would be nearly as effective as HEAT? The HEAT is very inaccurate while that matters less with the HE. I'd area fire if possible. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Enigma Posted January 24, 2006 Share Posted January 24, 2006 will do 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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