Europa Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Why isn't there a shotgunmachinegun? 120 shotgun cardtridges per minute should be enough to pin everyone your firing at at close ranges out to 40 meters. What is wrong with that idea? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Europa Posted January 15, 2005 Author Share Posted January 15, 2005 Why isn't there a shotgunmachinegun? 120 shotgun cardtridges per minute should be enough to pin everyone your firing at at close ranges out to 40 meters. What is wrong with that idea? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew H. Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Originally posted by Europa: Why isn't there a shotgunmachinegun? 120 shotgun cardtridges per minute should be enough to pin everyone your firing at at close ranges out to 40 meters. What is wrong with that idea? 1. It wouldn't be much good beyond 40 meters. 2. It would be *really* heavy. 3. It would have a nasty kick. But some automatic shotguns do exist, and might be useful in certain specific situations. I.e. http://midamericarecreation.com/shotgun_pages/shotgun1.htm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew H. Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Originally posted by Europa: Why isn't there a shotgunmachinegun? 120 shotgun cardtridges per minute should be enough to pin everyone your firing at at close ranges out to 40 meters. What is wrong with that idea? 1. It wouldn't be much good beyond 40 meters. 2. It would be *really* heavy. 3. It would have a nasty kick. But some automatic shotguns do exist, and might be useful in certain specific situations. I.e. http://midamericarecreation.com/shotgun_pages/shotgun1.htm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leakyD Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Or one of these: Mk 19 with a bunch of these: Cannister Any idea of what the firepower rating @ 40m would be? Yikes! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leakyD Posted January 15, 2005 Share Posted January 15, 2005 Or one of these: Mk 19 with a bunch of these: Cannister Any idea of what the firepower rating @ 40m would be? Yikes! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 I don't know, but it would be better suited to the general forum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 I don't know, but it would be better suited to the general forum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone_Vulture Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Originally posted by Europa: Why isn't there a shotgunmachinegun? 120 shotgun cardtridges per minute should be enough to pin everyone your firing at at close ranges out to 40 meters. What is wrong with that idea? Ok, I will be fair and assume that you're asking why there isn't a weapon like this in real life. Lord Peter already gave several good reasons. Due to the shotgun's questionable range and accuracy, it'd make a truly poor squad support weapon. And an extremely heavy one, as mentioned. Quite impractical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone_Vulture Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Originally posted by Europa: Why isn't there a shotgunmachinegun? 120 shotgun cardtridges per minute should be enough to pin everyone your firing at at close ranges out to 40 meters. What is wrong with that idea? Ok, I will be fair and assume that you're asking why there isn't a weapon like this in real life. Lord Peter already gave several good reasons. Due to the shotgun's questionable range and accuracy, it'd make a truly poor squad support weapon. And an extremely heavy one, as mentioned. Quite impractical. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 The main problem is that the case is a blunt plastic cylinder, which doesn't feed well into an MG mechanism. Crushing a cartridge into the feed mechanism can be messy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamingknives Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 The main problem is that the case is a blunt plastic cylinder, which doesn't feed well into an MG mechanism. Crushing a cartridge into the feed mechanism can be messy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Other Means Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 I think at the ranges a shotmachinegun would be effective, the prone crew would be too exposed to grenades etc. Also, the round would have no penetrative power so would not be able to shoot through stuff they could be shot through. As soon as the enemy learn that all shotMG's become useless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Other Means Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 I think at the ranges a shotmachinegun would be effective, the prone crew would be too exposed to grenades etc. Also, the round would have no penetrative power so would not be able to shoot through stuff they could be shot through. As soon as the enemy learn that all shotMG's become useless. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Pleasure Beast Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Why isn't there a nukemachinegun? 120 Peacekeeper ICBMs per minute should be enough to pin everyone your firing at at close ranges out to 9656064 meters. What is wrong with that idea? :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zebulon Pleasure Beast Posted January 16, 2005 Share Posted January 16, 2005 Why isn't there a nukemachinegun? 120 Peacekeeper ICBMs per minute should be enough to pin everyone your firing at at close ranges out to 9656064 meters. What is wrong with that idea? :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denwad Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 omg if CMx2 is modern it will be too too too goddamn fun 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denwad Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 omg if CMx2 is modern it will be too too too goddamn fun 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoolaman Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Shotguns are illegal in wartime applications are they not? Geneva convention, like dumdum bullets, too hard to pull the bits out of someone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoolaman Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Shotguns are illegal in wartime applications are they not? Geneva convention, like dumdum bullets, too hard to pull the bits out of someone. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone_Vulture Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 That is actually quite a good question, Hoolaman. Like in our modern Finnish army, I do not know any other infantry types or units that would be trained to use shotguns, other than the MPs. And to my knowledge, they're meant to handle war time "terrorism / saboteur hazards". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bone_Vulture Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 That is actually quite a good question, Hoolaman. Like in our modern Finnish army, I do not know any other infantry types or units that would be trained to use shotguns, other than the MPs. And to my knowledge, they're meant to handle war time "terrorism / saboteur hazards". 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanonier Reichmann Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 I don't believe shotguns are illegal to use for wartime applications. If I recall correctly, the U.S. forces in Vietnam used them regularly when fighting in heavy bush areas due to their effectiveness at such close range fighting distances, especially when ambushed or setting an ambush. Regards Jim R. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanonier Reichmann Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 I don't believe shotguns are illegal to use for wartime applications. If I recall correctly, the U.S. forces in Vietnam used them regularly when fighting in heavy bush areas due to their effectiveness at such close range fighting distances, especially when ambushed or setting an ambush. Regards Jim R. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoolaman Posted January 17, 2005 Share Posted January 17, 2005 Whether they are illegal and whether the US used them in vietnam are not neccesarily related issues . I thought I had seen footage of US troops in Iraq now with shotguns as well. I was pretty sure they were not used in WW2 due to treaty issues. But I am always willing to entertain the possibility that I am totally wrong! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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