Warren Peace Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 It seems to me that Grants are very effective tanks in CMAK relative to German PIII and early PIV. In reality, tankers hated these tanks because of the tendency of the bolts to fly around the cabin after taking non-penetrating hits. My question is: Has this defect been modeled in CMAK? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junk2drive Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Yes, you can't see it, but the crews have bruises from the flying bolts. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 That defect might be covered under "partial penetration. flaking/spalling" or however the phrase goes, but I don't think the Lee gets that message very often. That's usually reserved for high hardness armor types like the T34 in CMBB or late war Panthers. I was surprised by how fightable the Lees and Grants are in the game, myself. I was expecting laughable performance. Instead, I sometimes prefer Lees to Shermans in a fight! As to flying bolts, in 'Brazen Chariots' by Crisp in one anecdote a bolt cut lose in the author's Stuart. I believe a crewmember had to have his leg amputated as a result. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 The defect itself is not modeled, but crews will panic if their tanks takes repeated hits, even if none penetrate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roqf77 Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 true plus it has to be noted that the p3's and panzer 4's early ones any way were not paticurly good them selves. the 50mm and short 75mm gun. did not have a very effective gun itself nor well armoured. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CombinedArms Posted December 8, 2004 Share Posted December 8, 2004 Yes, the Grant/Lee was actually an excellent tank at the moment of its first appearance. No turret for the main gun, wasteful of crew, and a bit too tall--so in many respects a clunky design--but with a better gun and more armor than the opposition. Its moment of ascendency didn't last very long, however, did it? Tank development moved amazingly fast in WWII: best tank in the world one minute, obsolete the next. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David I Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 I know that when it first showed up the Germans didn't like it at all. Not at all. DavidI 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenAsJade Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Originally posted by Kingfish: The defect itself is not modeled, but crews will panic if their tanks takes repeated hits, even if none penetrate. But does this happen more often for Lees, in line with their reputation (as reported above)? IE is the Lee's particular susceptibility taken into account? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wisbech_lad Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Grants/ Lees served till the end of the war in the Pacific successfully enough 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted December 9, 2004 Share Posted December 9, 2004 Originally posted by Wisbech_lad: Grants/ Lees served till the end of the war in the Pacific successfully enough They didn't face much more than origami tankettes, did they? IIRC the heaviest Japanese tank was Type VIE "Paper Tiger". It was reinforced with cardboard. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted December 10, 2004 Share Posted December 10, 2004 Even in the game you see the Lee evolve pretty quickly, from the short M2(?) 75mm gun to the standard Sherman-type M3 gun, from seven man crew to six (in the patch, at least) and the big side doors welded shut to strengthen the hull. I think I'll do a little mixing-&-matching when I get home tonight. Concoct a little scnario with late war German tanks vs late Lees, just to see how they'd come out. Everyone cries about achieving 'balanced' games. Lees vs Stugs would pit two limited traverse gun vehicles against eachother! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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