Tiger Man Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Does anyone know if there is going to be a CM in the Pacific? Although I'm sure it would be possible to scenarios with the palm trees and sand and all. But it would be neat to fight the Japanese. Maybe you could even have small boats? Who knows? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Possible, Italians and Italian vehicles would make workable IJA forces. Problem is the language files, someone would need to work these up. Also need someone willing to do the mod work for the uniforms/vehicles. MikeT 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt. Ryan Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Originally posted by MikeT: Problem is the language files, someone would need to work these up.How many different ways can you say "Bonzai" and "You Die Maline"? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 There's already a quite nice CMBO pacific war mod with Japanese language wav files. There's been some talk of porting to CMBB. Los [ November 24, 2003, 08:47 PM: Message edited by: Los ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiger Man Posted November 25, 2003 Author Share Posted November 25, 2003 Hey one more question. On CMAK does a machinegun jam last forever? I've got M1919 with a JAM and Germans alaround. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt. Ryan Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 MGs will clear. There's even a sound file where somone says "weapon clear." 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Originally posted by Pvt. Ryan: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MikeT: Problem is the language files, someone would need to work these up.How many different ways can you say "Bonzai" and "You Die Maline"? </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Wacky Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Originally posted by Pvt. Ryan: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by MikeT: Problem is the language files, someone would need to work these up.How many different ways can you say "Bonzai" and "You Die Maline"? </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce70 Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Actually in my experience asian people have no trouble pronouncing either 'r' or 'l', they simply tend to get them back-to-front. I have a Korean friend who pronounces Robert 'Lobert' and laptop 'raptop' for example. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeT Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Pvt. Ryan, I know all about the CMBO Pacific mod, I did it. The problem is that the number of speech files is much larger in CMBB than in CMBO, 27 Meg for CMBB and around 4-5 for CMBO. The differences must be made up. I did contact Japanzer in Japan about a possible CMBB version but never heard from him, he did the CMBO speech files. BTW, the CMBO Pacific mod has been ported to CMMOS which I will finish up this Turkey day weekend, I got 5 days off. MikeT 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt. Ryan Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Well, obviously, I was joking. Also I always thought most Japanese switched Ls and Rs. In Goodbye, Darkness, by William Manchester, the author says the Japanese said, "You die, Maline!" I'm pretty sure that's how he wrote it, but I'd have to seach the whole book to be sure. He then mentioned how the American passwords were created to take advantage of this difficulty. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeDog Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Well, I think I can help out with this little linguistic side debate. While I'm a native English speaker, for the past couple of years I've been trying to pick up Japanese. I'd hardly call myself a proficient speaker, but I have gained an appreciation of some of the phoenetic and grammatical differences between the languages. In the Japanese language, there is no 'r' or 'l' sound per se. There is a consonant sound that is about halfway between the english 'r' and the english 'l'. Whether this sound is actually closer to 'r' or 'l' to our (Native English) ear depends on what sounds are occurring around it, local dialect, the individual speaker's ideolect, etc. As such, Japanese speakers have an *extremely* difficult time telling the difference between the English 'r' and the English 'l' sounds. Their ears are just not accustomed to having to differentiate between the two sounds. A native Japanese speaker is about equally likely to substitute an 'r' out for an 'l' sound when trying to pronounce an English word as the other way around. Incidentally, the Japanese aren't the only ones who have problems like this. For example, there are several sounds in Mandarin Chinese that are all very similar to the English 'sh' sound - it's difficult for Native English speakers to tell the difference, so American students of Chinese frequently transpose them. Cheers, YD 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanachai Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 What a wonderfully refreshing departure from the Jerkie Boys' approach to humour. Thank you, Yankeedog. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GJK Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Konichiwa! Domo arigato. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeDog Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Dou itashima****e. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ParaBellum Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Originally posted by YankeeDog: Incidentally, the Japanese aren't the only ones who have problems like this. For example, there are several sounds in Mandarin Chinese that are all very similar to the English 'sh' sound - it's difficult for Native English speakers to tell the difference, so American students of Chinese frequently transpose them. Cheers, YD Ah, the fun of learning the differences between j/q/sh/x/zh (pinyin) in chinese... Not only the english speakers have problems with them, be assured! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tooz Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 My two cents based on two years as an ESL teacher here in China... The main cause of the Asian speakers having problems with the "r" sound is the simple fact that they never "roll" their R's. Example, all of my students have problems with words begining with BR, CR, PR, et al. In fact there are few sounds they make where they vibrate their lip or tongue. Chinese students have the most difficulty with the letters V and TH. Conversely, it is well nigh impossible for me to replicate THEIR Pinyin "R" words. Renmin (people) sounds like "Lenmin" to me. Refreshing to find linguistic discussion here on the Forum--puts me in a good mood for class. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanachai Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Ah, the beauties of language, and the diversity of experience. And as regards 'will there be a CM Pacific Theater game' No, not at this time. Things may well change with the engine redesign. Magic Eightball says: Ask again much later. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CMplayer Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Waiter! One portion flied lice! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Japanzer Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Umm, the plobrem of L&R is difficurt fol me. :confused: Many Japanese CM-gamers like the CMBO Pacific mods except my voice(Japanese speech files in the mods). An Japanese gamer uses voices taken from war-movies, animations, etc. Native speakers have severe evaluation about their language. >MikeT I have thoght you won't make CMBB IJA-mods. I don't know why. If you'll make IJA-mods, I'm willing to help you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haohmaru Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Language problems are not the same for all asian countries, they each have their own unique flavour. In Thailand for example, people can not easily pronounce "l" when it comes after a vowel, because in Thai language, although there is an "l" sound, it is pronounced as an "n" when after a vowel. So I always have people say thigns to me such as "Do you like footbon?", it takes me a while to work out they are talking about football! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haohmaru Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 ...Oh, and the funniest thing about Japanese people trying to speak Japanese is not their confusion about telling the difference between "l" and "r", but rather the fact that they MUST place a vowel after a consonant, with the exception of the letter "n". So, the way they pronounce McDonald's is Ma-Ku-Do-Na-Ru-Do!!!!! By the way, I'm not trying to look down on these people here, I lived in Japan for 2 years and am currently in Thailand, a lot of them speak English better than foreigners in their countries can speak their languages. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Los Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 Could the CMBO wav files serve as a basis for the CMAK japanese files? Los 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pvt. Ryan Posted November 25, 2003 Share Posted November 25, 2003 I think CMBB and CMAK have a lot more voice files for each nationality than CMBO did. CMBB introduced many more phrases for certain situations. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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