HarryInk Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 Finally it's happened and it p&*%#! me off. One of my opponents is using smoke like I use smoke, goddam his eyes!! (for he's damned mine!) The village is choked with it. All my carefully chosen hull down LOSes aren't worth a damn. And They're coming: I can hear the chevrolets heaving the armor toward me and hear those pommy accents yelling to each other. Arrrrrgghhh... In two or three years of CMing, I've hardly had anyone really use smoke well on me. I love the stuff: it's a moveable wood. My opponents often complain about it. Now it's finally happening to me. I deserve it, I'm sure. But my questions now are: 1. Who out there uses smoke a lot, like me? 2. Who out there kinda wonders how you use it and whether they should start sometime...? 3. What do you do when you've got a nice defence set up and the bugger smokes you. Run? Maneuver? 4. Am I going to live through this attack? lol 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junk2drive Posted October 5, 2004 Share Posted October 5, 2004 You didn't say which game but in CMAK the German AI smokes me alot. SPOILER WARNING . . . . . . . . . . The Valley of Trouble remake as US you have to smoke the pillboxes. I wish there was more of it in CM, but the play balance is designed for the amount allowed. More might screw things up. [ October 06, 2004, 07:05 AM: Message edited by: junk2drive ] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 Junk, you probably want a spoiler warning in that post. I don't think smoke is underrated, everybody here rambles about it. If anything, it is probably more used than in reality. And more protective since MGs can't fire blind into the smoke. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undead reindeer cavalry Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 Originally posted by HarryInk: 1. Who out there uses smoke a lot, like me? i use a lot of smoke when i am playing Soviets. it's so cheap i can't help it. 3. What do you do when you've got a nice defence set up and the bugger smokes you. Run? Maneuver?i tend to reposition. infantry falls to fallback positions, while machineguns & mortars move to positions where they can hammer the enemy infantry that is about to enter your previous positions. then after a couple of minutes of hammering i launch a counter attack and take back my primary positions. it usually works very well, but you must have had patience to place a good share of your machineguns, mortars etc a bit further back. i have smoked my own defensive positions a couple of times to create a massive ambush. gamey, but satisfying. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vixen Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 I use smoke quite a bit on offense but rarely defensivly. It's often much more effective than an HE FFE in achieveing your scenario goals when on the atack. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junk2drive Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 On the other side of the situation, I recently played a battle on defense. The enemy poured on the smoke late in the game. Maybe that is all that was left for him. It gave my suppressed troops time to recover and defeat him. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
37mm Posted October 6, 2004 Share Posted October 6, 2004 i have smoked my own defensive positions a couple of times to create a massive ambush. gamey, but satisfying. Could you explain in a bit more detail... sounds interesting. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieseltaylor Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 I think he was using smoke to cover his position fromm ranged fire when an assault came in .... Very sneaky. I have dropped smoke in front of my gun positions to break sight lines and put them into hide. Most players tend to forget in the heat of battle .... like me ... that tanks carry smoke also [well not russians , matildas er er ... yes well] 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenAsJade Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 I really only just learned about more creative uses of smoke a couple of scenarios ago, when TrailApe opened up his attack with a whole barrage of smoke before moving tanks forward. Since then, I try to use it whereever I can. It's just played a crucial part in helping me dominate my most recent match mwahahahah! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undead reindeer cavalry Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Originally posted by 37mm: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />i have smoked my own defensive positions a couple of times to create a massive ambush. gamey, but satisfying. Could you explain in a bit more detail... sounds interesting. </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenAsJade Posted October 7, 2004 Share Posted October 7, 2004 Why is it gamey? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macphail Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 i have some great screen shots of my tanks coming out of smoke, and killing shermans. i dont usually need to cover the infantry, but you might want to sometimes. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brent Pollock Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 I used a lot of smoke in the opening moments of Our Backs to the Volga; AAR and screen shots are here in the Scenario Discussion forum. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macphail Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 interesting thread. i like to read other people AAR's. i'm in a fight right now and i have 8 FT units. one of them set fire to a house (on my order) that was in some woods, in order to provide fire and smoke cover, and another just anhilated a crack british inf squad. actually, i have been having alot of luck with the flamethrowers lately. i need to find some way to post a screen shot or two. ive seen a few of my FT units kill light AVF such as stuarts, run up to suppressed inf, and burn them all out. there is another interesting thread about FT's though. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted October 9, 2004 Share Posted October 9, 2004 Originally posted by HarryInk: 3. What do you do when you've got a nice defence set up and the bugger smokes you. Run? Maneuver?This is one of the reasons why you always have reserves - so that you can react to events. Especially AT reserves (tank hunters) will be much needed, when your ATG's views are limited. The actual response depends on the details of the situation, sometimes it's okay to just stand fast with slight strengthening of the force density in the smoked area, sometimes you may need to adjust the lines more drastically especially if the smoke is meant to cover some nasty flanking move or something. The good thing about smoke is that it covers your troop movements too. It is also helpful to have TRP's so that your FO's can direct fire to areas covered by smoke. That saves you some time so the enemy doesn't get as far before the smoke dissolves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
undead reindeer cavalry Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 Originally posted by GreenAsJade: Why is it gamey? it just feels gamey. i think it's mostly because it only works because you know that enemy is just about to attack, what his target area and strenght is. in reality you wouldn't know any of them and it would make more sense to have a usual defence setup with strenches and all that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junk2drive Posted October 11, 2004 Share Posted October 11, 2004 So IOW, all that the Allies did to deceive Hitler with a Calais invasion was gamey? You know, plywood and inflatable afvs, barracks, etc. The smoke may be a decoy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tifosi Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 I just re-played Chance Encounter, and used mortar smoke to cover my advance into woods and blind the enemy. Last time I played this scenario I got wasted quick-smart. This time I waxed 'em all. Major victory with 12 turns remaining, all but 20 or so Germans killed or captured. The moral of the story? START SMOKING, KIDS! :eek: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Macphail Posted October 14, 2004 Share Posted October 14, 2004 now thats good advice! puf, puff, puff. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpitfireXI Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 I have just noticed that on two occasions the AI dropped loads of smoke on my attacking force. At first I thought something terrible was going to happen but nothing did and it really helped cover my forces. I was impressed with the AI for actually using artillery but switching to smoke just does not make sense. Any ideas? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junk2drive Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 The AI may have run out of regular rounds and used up what it had left, smoke rounds. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 Originally posted by junk2drive: The AI may have run out of regular rounds and used up what it had left, smoke rounds. Eh, artillery doesn't just run out of HE! The AI wastes its arty ammo for smoke every now and then. It just happens. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junk2drive Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 I forgot about that little detail. I must have been thinking about on board. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sirocco Posted October 15, 2004 Share Posted October 15, 2004 HE will also throw up a reasonable amount of dust in CMAK, which can also be sufficient depending on your needs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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