Insu Posted May 6, 2001 Share Posted May 6, 2001 Anyone feel that tank penetration with Schrecks, PIAT and Bazooka rendering no effect has increased with the last patch? :eek: It has occured at least once in the majority of the games I have played. Target distance has been between 50-150 m. I strongly feel that this occurance has increased with the latest patch - do you? :confused: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schwarze Posted May 6, 2001 Share Posted May 6, 2001 i just had a tiger tank in a QB, it had a penetration but gun damaged and crew hit! but didnt die "Edit" it got hit by a PIAT [ 05-06-2001: Message edited by: Schutzstaffel ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcm1947 Posted May 6, 2001 Share Posted May 6, 2001 I've not noticed this but then again I can't recall the last time any of my shoulder AT guns hit a tank - either side. It's extremely hard to get close enough as it is without having to worry about that kind of thing. I'll run a test and see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phillies Phan Posted May 6, 2001 Share Posted May 6, 2001 The thread title reminds me of a date I went on years ago. Mad Dog 20/20 was flowing freely and the sultry tones of Meatloaf was in the air. Oh, don't mind me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StugIII Posted May 6, 2001 Share Posted May 6, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Phillies Phan: The thread title reminds me of a date I went on years ago. Mad Dog 20/20 was flowing freely and the sultry tones of Meatloaf was in the air. Oh, don't mind me.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> That was you? :eek: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Babra Posted May 6, 2001 Share Posted May 6, 2001 It was a hot summer night and the beach was burnin' There was grogs crawlin' over the sand... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gen-x87 Posted May 7, 2001 Share Posted May 7, 2001 Funny you bring that up. Today in an IP game a cromwell came upto the flag in the last turn and it was penetrated from the side by a Faust. It just said side penetration but nothing else happened. Then a SS rifle squad and its platoon leader shot thier faust at once and blew the hell out of the cromwell Spectacular explosion. First time I have ever actually seen fausts in action! Gen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted May 7, 2001 Share Posted May 7, 2001 Mate when I penetrate there's ALWAYS an effect!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maximus Posted May 7, 2001 Share Posted May 7, 2001 I don't know, I've come to respect Piats more lately. They seem to be more accurate than 'Zooks and seem to always knock out the vehicles. I played Cambois the other day and had several Piat kills against PzIVs and StuGs which were at least 100m or better away. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted May 7, 2001 Share Posted May 7, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mike the bike: Mate when I penetrate there's ALWAYS an effect!!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> But that's, what, maybe once a century? Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted May 7, 2001 Share Posted May 7, 2001 Only if there were 3 or 4 centuries last night!! to you too!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Louie the Toad Posted May 7, 2001 Share Posted May 7, 2001 Originally posted by Maximus: [QB]I don't know, I've come to respect Piats more lately. They seem to be more accurate than 'Zooks and seem to always knock out the vehicles. Have you tried playing the "Red Devils at Arnhem? You get to use piats, satchel charges, handgrenades and a flamethrower. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abuhabib Posted May 7, 2001 Share Posted May 7, 2001 i used a piat against a bunker once. nice fireworks! :cool: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuka Posted May 7, 2001 Share Posted May 7, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mike the bike: Mate when I penetrate there's ALWAYS an effect!! <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes, we know. You sprain your wrist! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted May 7, 2001 Share Posted May 7, 2001 Stuka, Stuka, stuka - when you gonna stop taking the dive man??!! ....and you shouldn't go around presuming everyone is the same as you!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gyrene Posted May 7, 2001 Share Posted May 7, 2001 In one of my PBEM's I had my baz team hit a STUG point blank, I'm talking grenade range, and got a "track hit" with no damage at all, the STUG kept going. I did not help that it was the baz team's last round either and I had gone thru considerable effort to get that AT team behind the enemy lines like that. Oh well. Gyrene Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted May 7, 2001 Share Posted May 7, 2001 Keep in mind that the range has nothing to do with whether a penetration will kill or not since we are not talking about a weapon that relies upon kinetic energy to penetrate. AFAIK, the chance of whether or not a weapon that penetrates a vehicle kills it is based upon the caliber of the projectile; the larger the higher the likelyhood of a kill. The Bazooka is 60mm, the Piat is 77mm, and the Shreck is 88mm. I once did an extensive test where I hit some tanks with over 200 Bazooka rounds to test the effectiveness of skirts. I was only keeping track of the number of penetrations, not the number of kills, but I would guess that about 25-30% of the Zooks penetrations did not kill the vehicle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Stuka: Yes, we know. You sprain your wrist!<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Awww, Mikeybikey would never do a thing like that. He has a melon with a hole cut in it...a very small hole, you see. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mlapanzer Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 It seems to me that zooks kill better from the 60-100 m range than closer! Am I wrong in this or have others seen it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 Jeez Michael - don't go giving away all your secrets!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howitzer Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 Regarding probability of kill and projectile size... <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> AFAIK, the chance of whether or not a weapon that penetrates a vehicle kills it is based upon the caliber of the projectile; the larger the higher the likelyhood of a kill. The Bazooka is 60mm, the Piat is 77mm, and the Shreck is 88mm. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> ...isn't there some relationship to the effectiveness of the shaped charge warhead? I understand the PIAT charge was perhaps less effective against armor than the bazooka. Anyone have more info? Howitzer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted May 8, 2001 Share Posted May 8, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Howitzer: I understand the PIAT charge was perhaps less effective against armor than the bazooka. Anyone have more info?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I've heard the opposite, which would be consistent with my general understanding that all other things being equal, the power of the charge is proportional to the square of it's diameter. But I admit that I don't have any hard figures to hand. Michael Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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