edgars Posted September 26, 2001 Share Posted September 26, 2001 Now grognards, lurkers and pengers, tell me what does this mean? HINT: Bottom line. EDIT: incorrect link [ 09-26-2001: Message edited by: ciks ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mensch Posted September 26, 2001 Share Posted September 26, 2001 means if you were Allies you lost, and Axis you won.. is this a trick question? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Capt Posted September 26, 2001 Share Posted September 26, 2001 That would be what one could call an "empty victory" for the Allies. The Axis may have surrendered but before they did they took out a 1:1 ratio of infantry and 6 vehs. I will assume those vehs are tanks and if they are expensive the points for them are going to outweigh the flags and captured losses on the German side. In short the Germans may have surrenderd but they gave the Allies such a bloody nose that by the time they put up their hands, there probably weren't enough Allies around to take em prisoner. Question, was it an auto-surrender or voluntary by the player. If it was voluntary, I would say he/she jumped the gun and should have fought on. [ 09-26-2001: Message edited by: The_Capt ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vergeltungswaffe Posted September 26, 2001 Share Posted September 26, 2001 The very definition of a pyrrhic victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgars Posted September 26, 2001 Author Share Posted September 26, 2001 I was under impression that no matter what happens on the map, if you surrender - you loose. It was small scenario i was "playtesting" as Axis, and when i decided it was it for Germans, i surrendered (I had one badly chewed up/partly broken platoon left and Allies had 3 Sherms + Stuart and about Platoon or more of infantry). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terence Posted September 26, 2001 Share Posted September 26, 2001 maybe there were axis bonus points in the scenario. is that possible? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgars Posted September 26, 2001 Author Share Posted September 26, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Terence: maybe there were axis bonus points in the scenario. is that possible?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Nope. I checked. No bonuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scipio Posted September 26, 2001 Share Posted September 26, 2001 Which tanks were destroyed on the Allies side? (type, experience)? Had the Allies an exit zone? How many VLs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingfish Posted September 26, 2001 Share Posted September 26, 2001 Perhaps his losses were so severe that even the capture of the VLs and 40 remaining Germans didn't help his score. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgars Posted September 26, 2001 Author Share Posted September 26, 2001 Allies had 8 tanks: All Regular 3xStuarts M4 M4A1 M4A3 M4A3 76 E8 M4(105) couple of halftracks and T8 6 vehicles where knocked out 2x Stuarts M4 M4A1 M4A376 and halftrack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porajkl Posted September 26, 2001 Share Posted September 26, 2001 I have a strange feeling... Fonts in that picture are just not right... Seems like a fake AAR to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edgars Posted September 26, 2001 Author Share Posted September 26, 2001 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Porajkl: I have a strange feeling... Fonts in that picture are just not right... Seems like a fake AAR to me. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Maybe it's because you have PC and this AAR is from Mac (i'm an art director, and believe me, if i wanted to make a fake AAR, i would have done it right). <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR> [...] no matter what happens on the map, if you surrender - you loose. [...]<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I found out that this (my) statement is wrong. If you beat your opponent very bad, you can surrender and still get the victory. It's clear for me now, getleman, thanks for your time, [ 09-26-2001: Message edited by: ciks ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Saunders Posted September 26, 2001 Share Posted September 26, 2001 I'm getting this kind of thing a lot in a scenario I am working on. There is a set of german bunkers and even when they are completely eliminated or surrender, the Germans still have victory, in most cases. I am converting from an attack to an exit type in hopes of giving Allies points for exiting units. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Treeburst155 Posted September 26, 2001 Share Posted September 26, 2001 Numerous large Victory flags on the bunkers would alleviate the problem. If the Germans are that badly depleted the Allies could easily gain control of these large VLs, thereby offsetting Allied losses. Treeburst155 out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted September 26, 2001 Share Posted September 26, 2001 You get that when the losses of the victory are so high that they outweigth the flags plus the surrendered force's losses. Example: 400 points in flags (1 big flag, 1 small) The surrenderer had a force of 1000, the flag-owner had 2000. The surrenderer lost 850 points of units and 75 more are captured due to the surrender. The flag-owner lost units worth 1500 points. Result: 1325:1500 points in favour of the guy who surrendered. This is usually the result of too few flags in a scenario. There should always be flags worth at least 50% of the bigger force. Unfortunately that is not true for CMBO quickbattle MEs. [ 09-26-2001: Message edited by: redwolf ] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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