killmore Posted February 22, 2000 Share Posted February 22, 2000 In your opinion: Does BTS really need to keep improving graphics or just release the game with current graphics ASAP. (Assuming there are no bugs like crushes, AI bugs). I think that further graphics improvements can wait for CM2. Sure better fires etc... would be nice but are not necessary in CM1. What's your opinion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalem Posted February 22, 2000 Share Posted February 22, 2000 Hm. Well, I was happy with the graphics in the demo, but a lot of folks weren't, and obviously neither was BTS. It's their company and their game; Charles and Steve need to do exactly what they feel is right for them and their game. Personally I'm tickled pink that they've shown as much flexibility and openness as they have so far, far be it for me to joggle their elbows now. Short answer is that personally, I'll take what they give me when I get it. -dale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted February 22, 2000 Share Posted February 22, 2000 If improved graphics mean selling more copies, then the should continue tweaking. Personally, the beta demo graphics were good enough for me... I'm more concerned with what the game does than how it looks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Berlichtingen Posted February 22, 2000 Share Posted February 22, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Short answer is that personally, I'll take what they give me when I get it.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Well said! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolColJ Posted February 22, 2000 Share Posted February 22, 2000 I want eye candy for sure ------------------ CCJ aka BLITZ_Force My Hompage ----> http://www.geocities.com/coolcolj Double your immersion with my Tweaked Textures and Saving Private Ryan sound set mods for CM!! Check out my new Textures V2.0 photo Gallery and my music while your there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted February 22, 2000 Share Posted February 22, 2000 Hmm..I don't wanna wait to long thats my only concern. I love eye candy but now my computer probably can't handle the new smoke so I'd like them to release now. ------------------ Visit my webpage! http://cm4mac.tripod.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magnus Posted February 22, 2000 Share Posted February 22, 2000 As Berlichtingen, I think that improved graphics will give the game better reviews, that is to say more copies sold. <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>I love eye candy but now my computer probably can't handle the new smoke so I'd like them to release now.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I personnaly think it is important to give some extras, because hardware evolve rapidly and these extras give the game a better life expectancy. And I must say the new smoke effects are really pretty ! They rise immersion, so they are a welcome addition. In a nutshell, I want the game to be released as everybody here, but I think some weeks of polishing might prove worth the cost. Just my two pence... Regards, Magnus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RobVarak Posted February 22, 2000 Share Posted February 22, 2000 Eye candy? Bahh!!!!! Personally I would be playing and loving this game if it used stick figures and cubes for the soldiers and AFV's. But I understand that BTS needs to make a splash because 99% of the reviewers (and a large percentage of gamers)regularly judge a book by its cover. While I feel that the existing graphics are MORE than sufficient, I will patiently (?) wait while they tweak away. ------------------ Rob Varak Editor Site on Sound: The Web's Premier Site For Musical Discussion www.siteonsound.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cueball Posted February 22, 2000 Share Posted February 22, 2000 You're making an assumption that improving the graphics is the only thing holding up the game. My guess is that they're still making interface improvement, finalizing the manual, and adding textures to incomplete models. Someone is probably working on the interface, another on the manual, so someone decided to improve the graphics (smoke), while others were working on their end of the project. It's a team effort. Of that I'm sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauhaus Posted February 23, 2000 Share Posted February 23, 2000 Better graphics doesn't mean better game play. At a certain point they will just have to say enough is enough. They won't make every wargamer happy. In the end people will complain more about the gameplay than the graphics. I've never heard of anyone wanting to return a game because the game was ugly, but the game play rocks. I'll take a tough AI over pretty graphics any day. Of course, there is a balance too. From what I've seen, I think they've come close to reaching it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
killmore Posted February 23, 2000 Author Share Posted February 23, 2000 I did not see too many reviewers complaining about graphics so far... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colin Posted February 23, 2000 Share Posted February 23, 2000 From what I've seen they're at that happy medium now or will be very soon. Right now as I stands the only thing I don't like about this game is the fire on buildings and terrain. How many other games can I say that about? None. ------------------ Visit my webpage! http://cm4mac.tripod.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Captain Manieri Posted February 23, 2000 Share Posted February 23, 2000 My vote: Release now. Tweaks are fine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goanna Posted February 23, 2000 Share Posted February 23, 2000 Reading the review that Steve gave a link to yesterday by an independent gaming site, I think it is pretty much done and they should release as soon as the other logistical items are taken care of (manual, CD copying, etc.) assuming that they are done adding skins. But then again I'm not the project manager and will accept BTS's opinion of when to go (I mean they are Mac users, so they obviously know what they are doing.) I give the beta demo a great review and don't need the improved smoke, translucent buildings, etc. but I do they they are great and add to the immersion. Basically, the thing is going to get a fantastic reception by any measure, and may even be considered revolutionary by the hardcore wargamer. I'm just getting tired of whipping all you chicks in these three scenarios. ------------------ desert rat wannabe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Captain Foobar Posted February 23, 2000 Share Posted February 23, 2000 Delayed Gratification..... If you had asked me the week of the super bowl, I would have said "OF COURSE!!!! RELEASE IT IMMEDIATELY!!!" But after seeing the improvements that have been made of late, I am so glad that they didn't. They will release it when its ready, but I say You Never get a 2nd chance at a 1st impression. Wow the living crap out of everybody!!! I can wait a little longer! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bauhaus Posted February 23, 2000 Share Posted February 23, 2000 <BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Goanna: I'm just getting tired of whipping all you chicks in these three scenarios. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I'm.....ummmm.....speechless. Joanna, we're not the one that went away for that special weeklong surgery to eliminate (and I use this next term loosely) his "manhood." By the way, how are the stitches holding together. You going to be able to resume playing soon so I don't have to keep kicking your wife's butt. I mean, that is who I just defeated wasn't it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigAlMoho Posted February 23, 2000 Share Posted February 23, 2000 [This message has been edited by BigAlMoho (edited 02-22-2000).] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BigAlMoho Posted February 23, 2000 Share Posted February 23, 2000 At some point, I think CM switched from being a just game to being a genuine work of scholarship... It can really be special if that happens... Al Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WWIIRulz Posted February 23, 2000 Share Posted February 23, 2000 All I say is improve the grapics but get it out soon. Then send a patch for download that improes the graphics later. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Charles Posted February 23, 2000 Share Posted February 23, 2000 As you know from the thread I started yesterday, I would like BTS to eventually make two improvements to the fire graphics: add some translucency effects similar to what was done to the smoke, and make building fires look less like a kettle burning on a gas stove by moving the flames to the sides and/or top of the building. IF and only IF they can do this in a day or two, then I say go ahead and do it before they release the game. OTOH, if it is a bigger project than that, I won't lose any sleep if it comes later, either in a patch or in CM 2, 3, or 4. ------------------ Not THE Charles from BTS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrPeng Posted February 23, 2000 Share Posted February 23, 2000 uh, what was the question? ------------------ Peng sez "die a lot now." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoolColJ Posted February 23, 2000 Share Posted February 23, 2000 No No No Patches cheapen a game! ANd that's the truth! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Howitzer Posted February 23, 2000 Share Posted February 23, 2000 Hey CoolJ... I partially agree with you on the patches...they cheapen the game IF some stated feature(s) was left out of the initial production release...if the patches are to fix bugs or conflicts, I view them as proper and necessary support of the program. Steve C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Scurlock Posted February 23, 2000 Share Posted February 23, 2000 You know a game is never really completed. It's always a work in progress. Technology dictates this. You don't want to turn out a Buggy product and this game has NO bugs, which we all know. I don't know enough to know if there is some particular problem thats being addressed. If our guys are just massaging graphics and the like , then I say turn it loose and continue to improve the game with patches. Like everyone else I, still love the beta demo. I just wish I had more scenarios. Charles and Steve have put their soles into this game and I guess it a little like a parent with a child, you just want it perfect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAEZ Posted February 23, 2000 Share Posted February 23, 2000 Graphics do look great But any programmer will tell you that code always always needs to be patch Programs are done by humans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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