snarre Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 I found out that bunkers have 360 vision now and can spot enemy units ewen if bunker is empty. can some one confirm this too and document it for BF . 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PZII Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) Yes you are correct, have see it in the Game... Should not happen. Empty Bunker should not have a Line of Sigh at all. Edited February 15, 2023 by PZII 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacillator Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Which scenario did you see it in? I'll give it a go and 'observe' (pun intended). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PZII Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) In a Game a friend and me are playing in. Also he tested it after i told him. Edited February 15, 2023 by PZII 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarre Posted February 15, 2023 Author Share Posted February 15, 2023 on email game right now and teset it from editor by making test map . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacillator Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 So not a stock scenario? A Quick Battle? Just asking as it would save me the time to load up the editor. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PZII Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) own created Scenario, played by email. Edited February 15, 2023 by PZII 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacillator Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 Okay, I have a few things to do first but I'll fire up the editor later. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacillator Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) So I don't think I'm seeing that here. I first set up a string of AT and infantry bunkers, some empty, some with AT guns, a couple with infantry. Oh and a Panther turret bunker just for fun . Faced them all in the same direction and attacked them from behind with a couple of Soviet infantry platoons and three T34/85s. With either side human-controlled or AI-controlled, the manned bunkers only opened fire once infantry had started to get in line with or in front of their 'slots'. No fire at anything behind, and when I controlled the bunkers, I did not see anything behind me. I then set up a single empty bunker and just the Soviet infantry (to avoid the bunker blowing up too early). No spotting happened from the empty bunker. So perhaps your facings were not in the opposite direction? But I'm not sure about the empty bunker you said was spotting - facing wouldn't affect that. Perhaps something else that I'm missing? If you want to send me the QB file to have a look at just PM me for an email adress. Edited February 15, 2023 by Vacillator 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kohlenklau Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 1 hour ago, Vacillator said: If you want to send me the Dr. Tim, NHS. Takes all insurance, kind bedside manner. "Feet up in the stirrups ma'am and we'll take a look in the bunker!" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacillator Posted February 15, 2023 Share Posted February 15, 2023 (edited) Yes indeed Phil, except for taking insurance - I don't get nothing mate. And if I was NHS, no insurance would be needed. Any thoughts on the bunker issue though as I'm well aware I may be wrong? On the plus side, the above testing involved some rudimentary AI planning in the editor and my curiosity is piqued. And you my friend are the man to answer any questions I may have . Edited February 15, 2023 by Vacillator 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kohlenklau Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 1 hour ago, Vacillator said: I don't get nothing mate. Ahhh, that is right. I would have been outed as a Yank agent. Oh, I must now admit a terrible habit. I often narrate to myself in some certain voice as I read someone's writings, obviously folks where I do not know the sound of their actual voice. You are Michael Caine's voice. Is that ok? ~~~ Anyway, I don't know what to say about the bunkers. I have never noticed it. ~~~ AI plans and such. Sure, glad to TRY and help you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacillator Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) . 6 minutes ago, kohlenklau said: You are Michael Caine's voice. Is that ok? If it works for you that's fine. In reality I'm a bit more northern despite what my location says. And you sound very Texan I'm sure? Edited February 16, 2023 by Vacillator Before someone else says it, we should get a room 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kohlenklau Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 8 minutes ago, Vacillator said: And you sound very Texan I'm sure? No! I grew up in New Jersey man. I sound maybe like a not as good looking Bruce Willis. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockinHarry Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 That bits of sound like my bunker "mod" as described here https://community.battlefront.com/topic/135382-custom-3d-models-and-mods-compilation/page/28/#comment-1962034 is beeing used maybe? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warts 'n' all Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 One wonders if Mr. Caine ever attempted a Somerset accent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bulletpoint Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 9 hours ago, kohlenklau said: Dr. Tim, NHS. Takes all insurance, kind bedside manner. "Feet up in the stirrups ma'am and we'll take a look in the bunker!" Hopefully there are no bugs in there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacillator Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 3 hours ago, Warts 'n' all said: One wonders if Mr. Caine ever attempted a Somerset accent. T'internet tells me 'Caine has never been good with accents and rarely bothers.' Apart from his own of course, he's pretty good at that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kohlenklau Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 @snarre @PZII Do you have any bunker mods or bunker fixes in your z folders? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redwolf Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 20 hours ago, snarre said: I found out that bunkers have 360 vision now and can spot enemy units ewen if bunker is empty. can some one confirm this too and document it for BF . Sounds like this historical example: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0252963/?ref_=fn_al_tt_4 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarre Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 i had to take some pictures then to show that infantry in bunker was abel to see trought bunker side wall. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Vacillator Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 Good screenshot. In my rather brief tests I didn't see that, I assume it 'works' for other units than Forward Observers? Still shouldn't happen of course. So do you have any bunker mods installed as metioned earlier? I see you have the excellent JuJu's UI installed (as do I) so you must be a mod kinda guy . 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vacillator Posted February 16, 2023 Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) Okay, the plot thickens, here's my version of your setup: As you can see, my FO team can 'see' the Soviets behind the bunker, even though they're looking the other way (which they would be of course) . There are no other Germans on the map. And judging by their smiles, they obviously know something we don't. At the back of the bunker there is a closed door and some sort of ventilation shutter, but they surely can't be looking through those. Setting is Iron by the way, in case anyone wonders. Oh and I ran the above without the FO team and the empty bunker never spotted a thing, so that part seems okay for me? But you originally suggested an empty bunker was spotting? Anyway, now to check whether other types of unit have the FO's superpowers... Edited February 16, 2023 by Vacillator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snarre Posted February 16, 2023 Author Share Posted February 16, 2023 (edited) nou bunker mods and all infantry types work for replicate this . empty bunker spotting might be wrong , my opponen told me that contact icons was moving when empty bunker is select but i coulden replecate empty bunker spotting . Edited February 16, 2023 by snarre 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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