DreDay Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 On 3/30/2017 at 4:08 PM, Haiduk said: SSO doesn't say many about own work. Since three years of war we know only about several episodes with their participation. And these episodes almost all for 2014 year, when they as far as were not named SSO and havn't such vehicles. Is it correct to assume that Ukrainian SSO consists of 3rd and 8th Spetsnaz regiments or are they a separate force from "army spetsnaz" as in Russia? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 6 hours ago, VladimirTarasov said: @Haiduk do you think the war will ever escalate or will it continue to be like this? I can say only for our side - a tactic of "crawling advance" will be continue, possibly in more active way, but not soon - now many troops on frontline are rotating. For example 54th brigade on Svitlodarsk bulge is going back and 53rd is changing it. So, in this conditions, can expact DNR probes to push off our troops from recently seized positions, because of new-arrived troops not so good to know terrain features. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 5 hours ago, DreDay said: Is it correct to assume that Ukrainian SSO consists of 3rd and 8th Spetsnaz regiments or are they a separate force from "army spetsnaz" as in Russia? SSO since 2016 is separate structure (before was belonging to Army intelligence like in Russia). Consists of SSO Command, 140th Special operation center (created on base of 8th regiment), 3rd special forces regiment, 8th special forces regiment, 73rd Naval special operations center, 142nd special operations training center. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DreDay Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 4 minutes ago, Haiduk said: SSO since 2016 is separate structure (before was belonging to Army intelligence like in Russia). Consists of SSO Command, 140th Special operation center (created on base of 8th regiment), 3rd special forces regiment, 8th special forces regiment, 73rd Naval special operations center, 142nd special operations training center. I see, so basically army and navy spetsnaz assets have been taken from GUR and integrated into an independent branch? That makes sense. BTW, Russian SSO is also independent of GRU and subordinates directly to the chief of general staff.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 10 hours ago, DreDay said: I see, so basically army and navy spetsnaz assets have been taken from GUR and integrated into an independent branch? That makes sense. BTW, Russian SSO is also independent of GRU and subordinates directly to the chief of general staff.. Yes, except Navy - 73rd center doesn't subordinate to GUR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted April 4, 2017 Share Posted April 4, 2017 (edited) Yesteday's (?) loss. BTR-70, probably 81st airmobile brigade blew up on the mine. Casualty list for today has 1 KIA and 2 WIA from this brigade, but pointed cause of death and injuries - MON-50 claymore type mine explosion. Possibly two different cases Edited April 4, 2017 by Haiduk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 (edited) Just example of LNR fortifified positions near Kalynove village, eastern side of Svitlodarsk bulge. When I see fortifications in CM I only can sigh... Edited April 8, 2017 by Haiduk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 (edited) Why? You could very easily make that with the units & terrain available in CM:BS.....Or do you mean current CM:BS scenarios do not feature sufficient use of fortifications? Edited April 8, 2017 by Sgt.Squarehead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steepdate Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 1 hour ago, Sgt.Squarehead said: Why? You could very easily make that with the units & terrain available in CM:BS.....Or do you mean current CM:BS scenarios do not feature sufficient use of fortifications? I remember crap like that from CMBO, perhaps not including the dug-in tanks. Still nightmarish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt.Squarehead Posted April 8, 2017 Share Posted April 8, 2017 You wouldn't like my Festerplatz type stuff much then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted April 9, 2017 Share Posted April 9, 2017 Haikuk, This is somewhat OT, but we have need of you here. We need to see the photos you've previously posted of the effects of direct artillery hits on tanks. Please respond to my long post on what I believe to be well founded conclusions regarding effects of observed numerous direct hits on one of TheForwardObserver's Abrams in CMBS. Thanks! Regards, John Kettler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 I'm curious about the layoy/shape of those trenches - classically, I understand that trenches are much more zig zag, instead of the graceful sine curve going on here. Those don't look like they'd deflect /shorten a blast wave, or provide much cover during a infantry infiltration.... Anyone more informed than me care to review? Terrain seems flatish, so topography doesn't seem to be driving this...whatever this is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 kinophile, I'm with you, for I was struck by that, too. This is the sort of thing I would expect. Note all the traverses in a position with a width of no more than 100 meters. MR Squad MR Platoon Image Credits: US Army via GlobalSecurity.org Believe whoever designed and authorized such a terrible trench system should be required to man it under conditions of heavy shell fire or Grad strike! Regards, John Kettler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FoxZz Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 It looks like a liaison network between two positions, not an actual frontline trench network, one of the position being the tank shelters in the trees. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 5 hours ago, FoxZz said: It looks like a liaison network between two positions, not an actual frontline trench network, one of the position being the tank shelters in the trees. Still... Any trench should be assumed as a source of shelter. It's a lot of effort to dig one - and you only dig one with the primary expectation that you might/will need it for shelter from an artillery barrage/other incoming fires. If you're just communicating between two positions then this minor curve business is pretty useless - it only increases your travel distance and you lose any possibility of communicating visually along the trench. Any trench should be assumed is a possible target for assaulting infantry. The normal zigzag helps reduce their effective range once in the system, reduces their visbility into your still held parts and constrains them in smaller spaces (each keg I'd the zig and zag). These long curves give enemy infantry space to spread out. Also, I believe any substance or pressure wave travelling around a curve can maintain and even increase it's velocity. So these odd looking trenches (which appear properly deep) could serve to channel, focus and increase the density, effect and speed of an artillery explosion blast pressure wave. Am I way off here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 I think, this is just uncomplited positions, pay attention on "NEWLY-DUG" word. OSCE UAV filmed only first phase, when engineer vehicle have excavated trenches - you can see fresh ground on breastworks. Soon soldiers will come and finished it with shovels - make covers, blindages and firing positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted April 10, 2017 Author Share Posted April 10, 2017 17 minutes ago, Haiduk said: I think, this is just uncomplited positions, pay attention on "NEWLY-DUG" word. OSCE UAV filmed only first phase, when engineer vehicle have excavated trenches - you can see fresh ground on breastworks. Soon soldiers will come and finished it with shovels - make covers, blindages and firing positions. I was wondering about that, with the tracks all around the trenches. Copy, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) Haiduk, Could you please say what the primary threat axis is, as seen from the perspective of the Russian proxies? Are the tanks oriented to it, or is that simply how they're situated in the deep earthworks, with the threat axis (from UKR) in some other direction? Shall be most interested to see how the bizarre to me communication trenches are turned into proper ones in the days ahead. Am with kinophile in his views on the funneling effect of what we see now. To me, anyone in that with an explosion in the trench close enough by is going to become a pea in a peashooter, and it won't be fun. Regards, John Kettler Edited April 10, 2017 by John Kettler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, John Kettler said: Haiduk, Could you please say what the primary threat axis is, as seen from the perspective of the Russian proxies? Alas, no. If the OSCE pointed out the coordinates, I would be able to find this place on the map and say where the enemy is expecting a threat, but by this picture I can't say anything. Looks like this pisition guards a corner of crossroad somewhere in fields. Our positions are on west and south-west from Kalynove. Edited April 10, 2017 by Haiduk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted April 10, 2017 Share Posted April 10, 2017 Haiduk, How bizarre they wouldn't, even if afraid to geotag, at lest show us which way north is. Am pretty sure that there was more info back in 2014 when the Russians were bombarding Ukraine from Russia. Regards, John Kettler Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted April 13, 2017 Share Posted April 13, 2017 (edited) In February I posted information that DNR KAMAZ truck was destroyed on outskirt of Maryinka by UKR forces. Now the video has appeared and surprisingly this was ATGM "Baryer" (vehicle mounted analog of "Stugna-P") of BTR-4E of 92nd mech.brigade. Video has been filmed from display of BTR-4. Operator at the end says "Looks like it hit between a cabin and bodywork". One DNR troper was killed, one heavy wounded (the arm has torn off), troopers in bodyowrk have got light wounds. Place of truck hit pointed by red circle on the map Edited April 13, 2017 by Haiduk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kinophile Posted April 13, 2017 Author Share Posted April 13, 2017 If that was one of my BTRs I'd be very much "WTF Dude? Save your ATGMs. You have a 30mm!" Id be very surprised to see the CMBS AI" waste" and ATGM on a non-armoured target. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMS Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Tourchinov, who roleplays "tough guy", made many loud statements He threatens to attack until border e.t.c. Also he took responsibility for bombing Donetsk airport in 2014. It seems that roads are dry enough to start new offence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haiduk Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 (edited) 2 hours ago, DMS said: Tourchinov, who roleplays "tough guy", made many loud statements He threatens to attack until border e.t.c. Also he took responsibility for bombing Donetsk airport in 2014. It seems that roads are dry enough to start new offence. He said "meter by meter", i.e. continuing of "crawling offensive" tactic. Nothing new. Of course, as acting president in that time, he had gave permission on operation in airport in 2014. Or should he gave up strategic object - airport in hands of armed men, which seized it and wait "gentle green men" in IL-76 ? Bombing... Heh... Pair of Mi-24 have launched only unguided rockets and shelled building with a canons. But their attack had only caused death of several fighters on the roof and inside terminal and made more morale suppressing effect. Looks like enemy leaders believed that Akhmetov had influed on authorities as weel as in case with seizing of administrative, police and SBU buildings, and wouldn't any attempts to take newest airport back with shooting. Edited April 14, 2017 by Haiduk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMS Posted April 14, 2017 Share Posted April 14, 2017 Haiduk, I just say. "Meter by meter" was nice, "Meter by meter go in Ukraine soldiers of group "Center" - quote from Soviet popular song. It seems that there is something new, Chodakovskiy for several days says about preparations to offence, 25 tanks at Vosdvizhenka, it is much for this war. Though he is local pessimist and всепропальщик. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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