John Kettler Posted December 5, 2016 Share Posted December 5, 2016 Finally got FF unstuck. Here's the link for the REDCOM presentation Advanced Lethality and Accuracy System for Medium Caliber (ALAS-MC).http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2014armaments/Wed16537_LeFante.pdf Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haveatya Posted December 5, 2016 Author Share Posted December 5, 2016 I'm glad the person I was talking to is a filthy casual. I was worried when he told me that. This system is much more potent. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzersaurkrautwerfer Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 On 12/4/2016 at 7:10 PM, c3k said: Stryker 30mm cannon, using above specs, brings over 200,000 Joules on impact. (Muzzle velocity.) The Apache cannon brings 75,000J. Obviously, these are NOT kinetic penetrators. They have very different roles. Just bringing this up to show the different order of magnitude of the energies these two weapons bring. Additionally, the Apache is an area weapon. It disperses a lot. The Stryker cannon is much more accurate...from my understanding. I can see the Brad cannon being upgraded sooner than later. The 25mm was nice...in 1980. (Again...conjecture.) (My comment upstream about all Strykers being upgraded was pure conjecture.) I'm less certain about a Bradley gun upgrade given the existing size of the turret. Â It started off a little cramped, but with the CITV, BFT, body armor worn by the crew I don't think it could fit a larger gun. Â If they went for a straight up new turret that might make some more sense though. Â 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Yeah...new turret and the 50mm autocannon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haveatya Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016 Here is a sneak peak at next generation Bradley hull Here is some info on the Bushmaster 3 and some proof of concept of it in a slightly modified conventional turret http://warfaretech.blogspot.com/2014/03/atk-bushmaster-iii-automatic-cannon.html And on topic, the Stryker Dragoon concept firing  0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VladimirTarasov Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Did the dude say commonality in the branches? Wasn't the only 30mm in the inventory the one on the Apache and the A-10 as well as the AC-130? which brings me to an idea, why not just install the A-10's cannon on the 'PC?   0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haveatya Posted December 7, 2016 Author Share Posted December 7, 2016  This is why AC-130 normally has a 40mm Bofors but some of the new special ones sub it out for a faster firing 30mm, though these are less common. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VladimirTarasov Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 23 minutes ago, Haveatya said:  This is why AC-130 normally has a 40mm Bofors but some of the new special ones sub it out for a faster firing 30mm, though these are less common. Could work IMO  0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Nice pic. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 15 hours ago, VladimirTarasov said: Wasn't the only 30mm in the inventory the one on the Apache and the A-10... The guns in the Apache and the Warthog are emphatically not the same even though they are of the same caliber. And their ammo is not the same. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VladimirTarasov Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 2 hours ago, Michael Emrys said: The guns in the Apache and the Warthog are emphatically not the same even though they are of the same caliber. And their ammo is not the same. Michael No I know, I was just trying to make a joke. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Unfortunately, jokes in English often don't work here as many don't have English as a first language. Can you explain the joke? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VladimirTarasov Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 47 minutes ago, Erwin said: Unfortunately, jokes in English often don't work here as many don't have English as a first language. Can you explain the joke? Joke was that if the dude was talking about commonality among the branches for the 30mm already; then does that mean it's going to have the A-10s or Apache's cannon but nevermind that obviously didn't work out the way I thought it would. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrTom Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) I for one think a GAU-8 based ground system is an entirely reasonable idea. Â Excuse the terrible quality, It's only a quick mockup. Edited December 7, 2016 by HerrTom 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AttorneyAtWar Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 16 minutes ago, HerrTom said: I for one think a GAU-8 based ground system is an entirely reasonable idea. Â Excuse the terrible quality, It's only a quick mockup. Ill kickstart the money for a GAU-8 Abrams if I have to! One for every platoon! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 15 hours ago, HerrTom said: Excuse the terrible quality, It's only a quick mockup. Interesting conception, except that the vehicle would need to be about twice as big in order to house both the weapon and its ammo and the crew. I was thinking of it as part of a fixed defensive fortification where size wouldn't matter. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 17 hours ago, VladimirTarasov said: Joke was that if the dude was talking about commonality among the branches for the 30mm already; then does that mean it's going to have the A-10s or Apache's cannon but nevermind that obviously didn't work out the way I thought it would. Yes, asking for an explanation was my joke. Didn't translate well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 17 hours ago, Raptorx7 said: Ill kickstart the money for a GAU-8 Abrams if I have to! One for every platoon! Clearly another billion dollar DoD development project. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baneman Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 6 hours ago, Michael Emrys said: Interesting conception, except that the vehicle would need to be about twice as big in order to house both the weapon and its ammo and the crew. I was thinking of it as part of a fixed defensive fortification where size wouldn't matter. Michael  4 hours ago, Erwin said: Clearly another billion dollar DoD development project. AT-AT's man - that's where the future ( and the development budget ) is going ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Oooh.... GAU-8's in fixed fortifications? Like a MaGAUnot Line? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 6 minutes ago, c3k said: Like a MaGAUnot Line? Exactly. We'll spend a trillion dollars on a line of fortifications along our borders and not let anybody in. Then we'll be safe. Won't we? Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HerrTom Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 7 hours ago, Michael Emrys said: Interesting conception, except that the vehicle would need to be about twice as big in order to house both the weapon and its ammo and the crew. I was thinking of it as part of a fixed defensive fortification where size wouldn't matter. Michael Believe it or not, it can fit 3 crew plus the weapon in an automated turret. Â It's a pretty big boy. I don't know why I spent so much time on this haha. Â At least the tank chassis I already had from a CAD exercise! Â 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 Nice drawing. But I don't see any provision for the gun to elevate or depress. That's kind of important. And allowing for that would probably add 2-3 feet to the height of the vehicle. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted December 8, 2016 Share Posted December 8, 2016 1 hour ago, Michael Emrys said: Nice drawing. But I don't see any provision for the gun to elevate or depress. That's kind of important. And allowing for that would probably add 2-3 feet to the height of the vehicle. Michael What? The turret just spins in a circle, firing continuously. Everything within 1km dies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IICptMillerII Posted December 9, 2016 Share Posted December 9, 2016 (edited) 11 hours ago, Erwin said: Clearly another billion dollar DoD development project. Ah hell why not, call up Lockheed Martin and tell em the budget cap is 1 trillion. 15 years later and 4 trillion over budget we'll have a real monster for the world to contend with! 7 hours ago, c3k said: Oooh.... GAU-8's in fixed fortifications? Like a MaGAUnot Line? Exactly what I thought of when I read the words fixed fortification. What's that Patton quote again? Had a good laugh at the play on words Edited December 9, 2016 by IICptMillerII 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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