lurrp Posted March 20, 2014 Author Share Posted March 20, 2014 Yeah, wasn't the 152 used in Korea and the Arab-Israeli Wars? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stalins Organ Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I suspect the reason there were "spare" 122mm guns was that they were not so popular for the regular artillery - where their long range was not overly useful and their smaller throw weight more of a problem - much like the British 4.5". According to wiki about 2500 122's were made, viz about 6900 152's - see also the annual production rate at RKKA I note that the number of ISU-122's & -152's made was almost identical at 1910 and 1885 respectively. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Stalin's O - the British 4.5 inch carried a charge of only 3.9 lbs of TNT to a range of 18 km. The Russian 122mm gun carried a charge of 3.8 *kilograms* of TNT to 20 km. The Russian gun was a far superior weapon. It outranged the standard German divisional pieces by 7-8 kilometers. Only the German 150mm Kanone and 170mm Kanone outranged it. It was a very useful counterbattery piece, and was fielded alongside 152mm gun-howitzers precisely to take the longer ranged missions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Yeah, wasn't the 152 used in Korea and the Arab-Israeli Wars? Yes, it was. In fact, I have a photo of myself standing next to one at Latrun. This one was in Egyptian service, and IIRC it was captured during the Six-Day War: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Looks like an IS-3 to your right. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vark Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 That's an Archer behind, is it not? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I like how they air-dropped that Sherman right on target... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 I like how they air-dropped that Sherman right on target... Easy to do if you have a really big ass flying crane or two. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 Looks like an IS-3 to your right. Indeed, it is: And, since we're on the subject, here's some more shots of the 152 and the museum's SU-100: (I believe that second one is a version for command and control, IIRC). And I checked my notes, and indeed the two 152s on display at Latrun were captured during the Six-Day War. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted March 21, 2014 Share Posted March 21, 2014 That's an Archer behind, is it not? Yes, it's an Archer: I like how they air-dropped that Sherman right on target... Heh, yep that's kind of the centerpiece of the museum. They had to remove the engine from the Sherman, so that the weight would not be too much for the (former) water tower to hold (it could hold 25 tons, while the Sherman weighed 34 tons). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vark Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Those pictures take me back. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Great pics. I have a load (pre-digital era) pics of Russian and Finnish military museums. Need to find em and scan. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartokomus Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 thanks very much for the pictures; much appreciated. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c3k Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 Perhaps an ammo carrier, not a command and control vehicle? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JasonC Posted March 22, 2014 Share Posted March 22, 2014 c3k - that was my immediate thought, as well. At least in the US field artillery, we generally had a separate ammo "track" for every howitzer. It was a tracked and enclosed vehicle, just no gun on it. Its job was to bring ammo up to feed the guns, with the same cross country mobility and protection as the gun mounts themselves. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 thanks very much for the pictures; much appreciated. Sure thing! It's a great museum and well-worth the visit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vark Posted March 23, 2014 Share Posted March 23, 2014 As is this one, http://www.panssarimuseo.fi/kehys-e.html 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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