Scipio Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 I'm missing typical used Axis infantry AT weapons of the pre-Panzerschreck era, such as Panzerwurfmine, Hafthohlladung and Geballte Ladung...or even Molotov-Cocktails or whatever. I suspect that they are also not abstracted in some way!? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MG TOW Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Not to mention the Granatbüchse 39 grenade launcher, for lobbing those big arse grenades. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narses Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 Good point. If I recall correctly these were mostly present in the original CM games. It was neat to see my infantry throwing them - I think it was the G Ladung at least. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted October 21, 2012 Share Posted October 21, 2012 I'm missing typical used Axis infantry AT weapons of the pre-Panzerschreck era, such as Panzerwurfmine, Hafthohlladung and Geballte Ladung...or even Molotov-Cocktails or whatever. I suspect that they are also not abstracted in some way!? You suspect incorrectly. Infantry close assaulting tanks are assumed to be using such devices. The visual representation of them lobbing grenades is an abstraction, as is the decrement of the ammo count for that weapon. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scipio Posted October 21, 2012 Author Share Posted October 21, 2012 You suspect incorrectly. Infantry close assaulting tanks are assumed to be using such devices. The visual representation of them lobbing grenades is an abstraction, as is the decrement of the ammo count for that weapon.I've though about this, too. I can't help, it feels wrong for several reasons... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 You suspect incorrectly. Infantry close assaulting tanks are assumed to be using such devices. The visual representation of them lobbing grenades is an abstraction, as is the decrement of the ammo count for that weapon. Where has this been stated by BF? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
womble Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 Where has this been stated by BF? I don't recall. But I'm pretty sure it has been. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sburke Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 I don't recall. But I'm pretty sure it has been. Yeah you'd have to go back to shortly after CMBN was released to find that. It was part of the whole discussion of close combat depictions or not etc etc. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted October 22, 2012 Share Posted October 22, 2012 The Granatbüchse 39, however, is not abstracted. It would have to be explicitly modeled. No idea how common they were in Sicily. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 For everything you want to know on German rifle grenades, please go to ioffer and type "German Rifle Grenades" it'll kick up, on CD, not only the original German manual, but 250 color pics of same from museums and collections all over the world. The same site has THE MOST INCREDIBLE ordnance grog goodies for sale I've ever seen. It's a huge collection being sold off because no one in the family is interested in an ordnance collection which dates back to the founders, who pioneered drawing brass cartridges for a whole range of weapons. Jeff Duquette, Claus Bonnesen and similar would just die over the manuals on CD alone. Breathtaking! According to this rather anal re-enactor site, the German cup rifle grenade discharger could be used on any Kar98K and entered service in 1942. Under Secondary Weapons. http://www.gdstab.com/infantry-weapons.asp This militaria site says the aforementioned grenade launcher came out in early 1943, after an earlier spigot type was a bust. http://www.germanmilitaria.com/Heer/photos/H073265.html Found it! Scale of issue is one rifle grenade launcher per squad. Info's just below the German Infantry Battalion TO&E chart and continues down the successive levels. http://www.lonesentry.com/articles/ttt09/german-infantry-regiment.html At company level, there is also an antitank rifle section, with the PzB39 AT rifles having been converted to dedicated rifle grenade launchers. The heavy HEAT grenade would penetrate 2" of armor. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 At company level, there is also an antitank rifle section, with the PzB39 AT rifles having been converted to dedicated rifle grenade launchers. The heavy HEAT grenade would penetrate 2" of armor. More on this item here. Also a photograph of one in Italy. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Michael Emrys, What a great pic of a fighting position and armed occupant! the latter appears to be in some sort of cammies. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 23, 2012 Share Posted October 23, 2012 Possibly a member of the Hermann Göring? were they issued the PzB39? Also interesting for me is to compare the terrain in the pic with some of the QB maps that come with the game. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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