JUAN DEAG

NSV, Kord, DShKM, are all the same caliber (12.7x108mm). Same story with UKR, no heavy machine gun. I'm not satisfied with weak capitalist heavy machine gun cartridge.

@Marwek77 aka Red Reporter I've noticed on the BMP-2M and the BTR-4 the vehicle will usually use the grenade launcher once it has depleted its cannon ammunition but needs to engage infantry. Also, from playing against the BMP-2M, the vehicle will sometimes used the grenade launcher when engaging my infantry behind a slight berm or wheat field in which cannon will be less effective. Side note: What the hell is even the point of the AGS-17 when you have a perfectly good 30mm autocannon to the left?

For some reason ATGMs and artillery both have the 'tracer' effect. That's a bug if I'm not mistaken.

I was wrong then.

Hey, at least they can make an epic promo video. @Haiduk I don't no much about EW, but has Russia displayed all their EW capabilities in Ukraine?

They recognized the validity of the referendum, that was what was voted on in UN resolution. Again, none of these nations recognize Crimea as being Russian territory, at least not publicly. My statement still stands. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I'm not calling you anything, and I accept all valid criticism. They could vote in election if they traveled from occupied territories and presented documents proving that they are Ukrainian citizens, unfortunately Crimeans could not vote because of two-way land blockade of Crimea . I never said Poroshenko was not corrupt. He lied to his supporters about giving up his chocolate factory when he became president and during election he used his ownership of one of the largest TV channel in the country to paint his competitors in a bad light and promote him, similarly to how Hillary Clinton used media to push her agenda in the US election. On top of that, he has failed to fulfill many of the promises of the Maidan Revolution. The likelihood of him being reelected in 2019 is nonexistent. I think you misunderstood what I was trying to get across. Let me try again, I'm saying that the Russian government is using it's access to all TV news to create an image of Ukraine as an enemy of Russia. All you have to do is turn on Russian TV to see exactly what I'm talking about. I can PM you videos of Russian TV to prove my point. God, not literally! That was bit of a miscommunication. I meant that Russian troops were occupying the peninsula, Russian flags were hanging over government buildings, etc. and at that point everyone knew that Crimea would be Sudetenland-ed no matter what the population thought. The referendum was an attempt to add at least some legitimacy to the annexation. Separatist called them that because they were fighting day and night like they were part robot, hence 'cyborg', and coup-starting fascist Ukrainians eagerly adopted the name. No, es verdad señor Vladimir. Of course some units had some token basic training by NATO advisors, but the overwhelming majority had little training, certainly not against a simulated 58th Army. Furthermore, the Georgian Army was not even expecting to fight Russia. And no, Georgian command and control was extremely poor; many units had to communicate by cell phone, reserves were mismanaged and botched on a completely different level, and otherwise mighty Georgian AA was plagued by poor coordination. Russia had problems, but Georgia had problems. You're definitely right about the equipment, but in the end it really didn't matter.

Georgian army had many of the same problems as the Russian army, except like 10 times worse. Especially, command and control.

Sorry, I misunderstood. The video never claims that the brigades are present in their entirety, that would be a silly claim. It's just a video listing all the units whose servicemen fought in Ukraine with photo evidence. (GRU officers like to use Instagram and forget to turn off location tracker ) The Maidan Revolution was extremely popular in Ukraine because both sides of the political spectrum were tired of a president that knew nothing but greed. Yanukovych stole over 26 billion from Ukrainian government, he was not a president, but a criminal and he was a criminal before rigging the election to become president in the Orange Revolution in 2004. He was a criminal, not some democratically elected angel. Maidan Revolution would not have happened if he did not try to extort money from Putin, during EU talks by attempting to create a Ramzan Kadyrov scenario. His greed was his downfall. Impossible, Ukrainian government was one of the most corrupt on the planet. Yanukovych fled by his own choice (along with all the money he stole from the people) when Interpol wanted his head for massacring protesters. This is a population that does not exist, just Russia trying to stoke nationalistic sentiment by making a Ukrainian "boogeyman". This can be seen with Russian state-media making borderline racist statements about Ukrainians and faking "Ukrainian terrorist plots in Crimea". The Russian government puts a lot of effort into making it look like Ukrainians hate Russian people, this is far from the truth. Ukrainians hate Putin. False. His greedy past of stealing hats as child, laundering businesses during collapse of Soviet Union, and siphoning money from Ukrainian government returned in the form of him trying to extort money from Putin by making moves toward EU, but that backfired and he lost his throne and source of income (Ukrainian budget). The Russian "it was a coup" narrative is false because he tried to intimidate protesters by using Berkut secret police to make people disappear and have their bodies found naked and beaten in random woods. His secret police intimidation tactics culminated in Berkut massacring 100 protesters, after that he fled out of fear of foreign intervention along with most of his stolen wealth. The election was rigged by every international standard. Votes were cast by Russian troops, not the people. Every single country on the planet, except Russia, recognizes Crimea as Ukrainian land. This name was given to the Ukrainian defenders by the separatists. Ukrainians didn't create that name for themselves. As most polls reveal, this was because they thought they would have better economic situation in Russia (no Yanukovych stealing billions). Also, because resistance was futile; they saw how Crimean Tatars were treated by Russian government when they tried to resist the occupation. UN recently did a vote to investigate the brutalization of Crimean Tatars by Russian government, Russia voted against it, can't imagine why. Thankfully, most Crimean Tatars were able to flee to Europe in time, others just pretend to be pro-Putin. They were able to vote for next Ukrainian president. There were plenty of anti-EU candidates. Putin doesn't want people know that, of course.

Bit more than a battalion tbh. Evidence/database used for this video: http://russian-presence-in-ukraine.silk.co/

Ok

Is this with upgrade 4.0?

Tracers look nice. I'm happy about that.

@kinophile Svitlodarsk is within the province of Donetsk. So mostly DPR troops.

@VladimirTarasov Also, would you be willing to do a Quick Battle or any other scenario with me, if you're not too busy of course?

"This is not our war, this is not your war, this is not the war of 20-year old paratroopers sent out there. This is Vladimir Putin’s war." -Boris Nemtsov, shortly before assassination Russians like you confuse Putin for someone who embodies the Russian state and claims to represent all Russians. Going against the will of Putin is not anti-Russian, and it's certainly not unpatriotic. Putin consistently gives Russians a bad name in the eyes of the world because of his own choices. It's not ordinary Russians that ordered Crimea to be seized, it was not ordinary Russians who tore two provinces from Georgia, it was not ordinary Russians that started an undeclared war in eastern Ukraine, it is not ordinary Russians that have billions in offshore banks, it is not ordinary Russians who support a genocidal dictator in Syria... It is ordinary Russians that deal with western sanctions, it is ordinary Russian soldiers that die in Putin's undeclared war in Ukraine, it is ordinary Russian seniors that see their pensions lowered every year, it is ordinary Russians whose taxes go to build Ramzan Kadyrov new ski resorts, it is ordinary Russians in Siberia and the Far East that cannot even be guaranteed consistent water and gas, it is ordinary Russians who cannot express their grievances without being beaten and imprisoned by OMOH or any other protest removal service in the area, it is ordinary Russians who are fooled everyday by their state media, it is ordinary Russians that pay 1.4 billion dollars to keep that same propaganda running... "A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government." -Edward Abbey Vlad, it is their homeland and it's their inalienable right to live in Russia again, regardless of what you think of them.

Thanks for sharing. That's unfortunate that they cannot return to Russia once the war is over, at least as long as Putin is in power. Apparently, it is still difficult to get citizenship for people that came from Russia or Belarus that joined Ukrainian volunteer battalions, even though Ukrainian parliament simplified laws to allow Russian and Belorussian volunteers to become permanent Ukrainian citizens.

I rate the direction this thread has gone: 3 out of 5 okay signs. On another note, what the actual f*ck?

Russian doctrine calls for a constant incessant attack and to only rest in order to regroup, but obviously this is not 1945, and in modern warfare constant attack is not always possible. As I stated before, this could have been a surprise/diversionary action and/or to reconnoiter enemy positions for an attack at a later date. It does not always have to happen instantly. 1) Recon is supposed to do its job no matter how intense the combat happens to be. 2) High risk, high reward.

There is a very tough economic situation in Donetsk, it was one of the poorest provinces in Ukraine even before the war. This problem is exacerbated by the fact that criminal organizations have taken over the government and steal people's businesses, cars, fancy homes, apartments, etc. DPR patriots also engaged in heavy looting of supermarkets and other locations. After that, a majority of Ukrainians fled (and many Russians to), for fear of ethnic and political cleansing by DPR heroes. Railway and mining industry were stripped and smuggled to Russia, and miners have gone unpaid by the criminal government. During heavy fighting, citizens of Donetsk cannot travel to Ukraine controlled territory to collect their pension. As a result, unemployment is extremely high, and the only way to feed family and earn any money at all is to join the terrorists. Most of the ideologically motivated soldiers come from neighboring Russia because they turn on Russian state-owned TV and see "Ukrainian Nazis are murdering grandmothers in their sleep with artillery!" so they travel to Ukraine illegally only to get buried in a foreign country because of the lies of their own government. I actually feel pretty bad for a lot of those guys. No one wants to starve or have their loyalty questioned by criminals with guns (there are plenty videos of DPR torturing their own citizens, but I will not link it here for obvious reasons, it's not difficult to find). Besides, the difference is made up by Russian volunteers, Russian paramilitaries, and Russian soldiers. Wearing a helmet instead of a ski mask can go a long way. And as VladimirTarasov mentioned, sometimes God is on the side with the best artillery. EXPOSED!!! According to both separatist and Ukrainian sources, Ukrainians are still there. You're such an ideologue to the point where you can't even admit that Ukrainian troops can take territory from invincible separatists and that invincible separatists are capable of taking heavy casualties. I'm not even going to get into how blatantly wrong you were about the origin of the pictures of the dead separatists I posted in response to Nefron's skepticism about Donetsk Airport battle. Just goes to show how detached from reality you are. By not misconstruing the facts, unlike you. Anyways, Haiduk is the expert here, not me, I'll leave it to him to show you how wrong you actually are.

Background for Module #1 VDV: No one but us! Background for Module #2 NATO Eastern Flank: The defense of Kiev has been hard-pressed and the US and Ukrainian defenders are in desperate need of R&R. NATO can no longer stand and watch, so the armies of Poland, Czech Republic, and Romania charge across the border in order to relieve the battered defenders. Can NATO's Eastern shield save Kiev in time? Background for Module #3 Desperate Northern Wind: The Russian military has suffered heavy losses ever since hostilities began and their modern equipment has taken heavy attrition from stubborn Ukrainian resistance. After the failures during the summer to break into Kiev, Russia has to gain the advantage now if they want the war to go in their favor. The Russians begin to mobilize their reserves, bolster the depleted Ukrainian front with paramilitaries, pull older tanks and armored vehicles out of storage, and pay Lukashenko 50 billion dollars to join the fight; all for one final assault on Kiev. Meanwhile, war weary and disorganized, yet battle-hardened Ukrainian territorial defense units and National Guardsmen prepare defenses north of Kiev for the epic last stand of the revolution.

Module #1: VDV -Russian VDV -Ukrainian VDV plz add Varan VSU camo for Ukraine -modernize Ukrainian military from 2013 standard to 2016/17 standard (give them UAVs, and other spicy content, and make digital camo standard) -US Special Forces of various types -more types of US aircraft Module #2: NATO Eastern Flank -Polish Army -Czech Army -Romanian Army Module #3: Desperate Northern Wind -Belarus Army -Ukrainian National Guard and territorial defense units -Russian paramilitaries (revival cossacks, newly created National Guard, military police) plz add Gorka camo for Russians -older Russian equipment and reservists + tank riders -more fortification types (also be able to put down a variety of different types of mines)

There was heavy shelling and direct fire with tanks and ZU-23-2 but the diversionary force was pretty small. @Haiduk can probably provide some input on the initial engagement and maybe correct me. Besides, Ukrainian comrades sometimes exaggerate like in the video with the National Guardsman. I think you misunderstood the quote. The key phrases are: "attack known or suspected enemy positions to gain information" and "demonstrations employing fire and maneuver against actual or suspected enemy positions". Feints are not invulnerable to enemy fire, anyways. FM 100-2-1 The Soviet Army: Operations and Tactics Principles of Soviet Reconnaissance • Aggressiveness. The decisive actions and initiative used by commanders and headquarters to obtain necessary information by all means available. • Continuity. The conduct of reconnaissance at all times regardless of the intensity of combat, time of day, or weather conditions. Established contact with the enemy must not be broken and observation must be continuously maintained. • Timeliness. The gathering and reporting of reconnaissance information in sufficient time to counter enemy actions. • Reliability. The degree to which the intelligence information accurately portrays the enemy situation. This involves verifying the intelligence with data from other sources and assigning additional reconnaissance missions to confirm or deny the information. • Accuracy. The accurate determination of coordinates of important enemy targets such as missile installations, nuclear capable artillery, nuclear storage sites, etc.

Considering that no evidence was found that the diversionary group was GRU or any other regular Russian force, locals and Russian paramilitaries don't always make the best decisions. DPR/LPR probably learned a valuable lesson about not trying to be Rambo with their reconnaissance. Though, Russian doctrine does favor aggressive CRP (combat recon patrol): FM 100-2-1 The Soviet Army: Operations and Tactics "Combat reconnaissance patrols in reinforced small subunit strength are employed to attack known or suspected enemy positions to gain information. Their mission is to cause the enemy to react and thereby reveal his dispositions, strength, and fire plan. The patrol conducts its reconnaissance by feints or demonstrations employing fire and maneuver against actual or suspected enemy positions. These positions generally are assigned to the patrol as reconnaissance objectives by the controlling headquarters." Principle in training in North Ossetia (with zero casualties this time): If he exists, then he has a weird habit of changing sides periodically and with no pattern except that of training and skill. I thought the Orthodox church in Ukraine celebrates Christmas on January 7th. I assume this is because in real life the dust, explosions, and loud noise is a lot more intense than it looks in a computer game.

It would be cool if someone could recreate this battle in CM:BS. Trenches, fog, and lots of artillery!

Thank you gentleman, my necrophilia has been thoroughly satisfied. *slurp, slurp* *moans* ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Meanwhile, Vice News hits up some patriotic Russian burgers at Donmac™ : These are usually done in more urbanized areas to lay mines and booby-traps and then retreat. Not really in open fields. Maybe they were worried about unnecessarily losing equipment to hidden Ukrainian SPG-9, NSV, and ATGM teams. Also, tracked vehicles like tanks make a ton of noise and would ruin the element of surprise, which appears to be the objective of LNR/DPR troops. Don't forget the snow fall and the dense fog that can be seen in the videos. I suspect that this was just supposed to be a surprise attack on Ukrainian positions to maybe wound and kill some guys in a "diversionary reconnaissance group" fashion and then melt into the fog before the Ukrainians can respond, but it went bad and the Ukrainians took the initiative to take enemy positions further south and the situation just spiraled out of control from there.