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Russian Tank Mounted Infantry - NOT Motorized/Mechanized Infantry The Russians should be given an edge (Or a head-start) on Motorized / Mechanized Infantry Vehicle Technology...even though they really didn't have much in the way of Mechanized Infantry Transport. Somehow!!!...because the Russians extensively used Tanks as their MOTORIZED-TRANSPORT they should be given an inherent Motorized Infantry Capability...without having to research it. "Russian Ground Forces did not possess armored troop carriers like the German halftracks, an infantry battalion called the 'Motor Rifle Unit" was attached to every tank brigade and assigned to close support the tanks. A Motor Rifle Unit consisted of about 500 infantrymen." http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/plastic/135militaryminiatureseries/35207.html Russian Army Assault Infantry During World War II, the Russian Armed Forces consisted of five main elements; the Ground Forces, Navy, Air Force, National Air Defense and Armed Forces Support. The Ground Forces represented about 80 percent of the total manpower, being the largest in strength. It had approximately 5,300,000 military effectives at the outbreak of the Russo-German War in June 1941. However, devastating damage brought by the German Mechanized Forces resulted in more than 70 percent losses of its entire troop strength within five months. This led to rapid reorganization of the Ground Forces, and with a help of the harsh winter climate of Russia, they managed to repel German's advance just in front of Moscow. Due to the heavy losses, reorganized units became much smaller than before. Rifle Forces (infantry) reduced their divisional strength from 14,483 to 10,859. Tank Divisions, which possessed some 20,000 armored vehicles, lost about 70% of them at the initial stage of war. Most surviving Tank Divisions were disbanded, and the available tanks and crews were re-assigned to much smaller units like independent tank battalions or tank brigades. It was in 1945, just prior to the end of the conflict, that the Russian Armed Forces recuperated the pre-war level of their strength. The main strength of the Russian counter-offensive was their tank troops. Following concentrated fire by their artillery units, the tank troops advanced in three groups, and many infantrymen rode on the tanks of the 2nd and 3rd groups. This infantry practice was unique to Russian tactics and was called "Tankoviy Desant" by the Russians. Since the Russian Ground Forces did not possess armored troop carriers like the German halftracks, an infantry battalion called the 'Motor Rifle Unit" was attached to every tank brigade and assigned to close support the tanks. A Motor Rifle Unit consisted of about 500 infantrymen. PPSh-41 or PPS-43 machine guns as support arms. Soldiers carried as many magazines as possible, and advanced while riding on tanks. Once encountering an enemy's defensive position, infantrymen would disembark from the tank, attack the position, and then return to the tank. These infantrymen were spearheads of the attack, and due to enemy's defensive fire, liable to sustain heavy casualties. The standard uniform of the Russian infantrymen during WW2 was a simple blouse called "Gymnastiorka". Early in the conflict, greatcoats and rain capes were often used as wintertime attire. In 1940, a quilted jacket called "Telogreika" was introduced, but not enough quantities were supplied in the beginning. [ July 06, 2004, 09:31 AM: Message edited by: Retributar ]

'Not-likely' that US Production would 'NOT-INCREASE'...as Churchill was already promised that the US would enter the war!...so why would the US want not to increase production when all the signal-input would be telling them to ramp up?.

Count me in!...i enjoy visiting the SC2 forum and seeing whats-new gamewise...except i don't get to see too much of whats new with the game. Yes...please show us what you can!.

What tools if any will there be for editing or designing NEW-UNITS for the current game and new Campaigns/Scenarios ?. I would like to see a Unit-Editing Tool in SC2 so that i could use it to greatly assist me in designing new units...instead of using the existing units and pretending that they are something else.

SPANISH CIVIL WAR Feb 23, 2004 http://www.cdgroup.org/forums/tbs/civ2/viewtopic.php?t=440 Pablostuka CDG Site & Civ II Administrator - Location: Barcelona, European Union... Quote: " Here is the 3.0 version of my best scenario: The Spanish Civil War (1936-1939). Now I am 100% satisfied with the final product, so I consider it FINISHED". CIV - II SPANISH CIVIL WAR MOD Some Ideas to look at!. ------------ http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/9820/ [ July 05, 2004, 05:23 PM: Message edited by: Retributar ]

NAPOLEONIC'... --- "Morale is as to Numbers as Three is to One!."-Napoleone'. ---"No Plan Survives Contact With The Enemy!"- Napoleone'. 'How i would love to see a Napoleonic-Mod...and a Roman Empire Mod with correct units and expanded [Larger Maps].' * Download 'Copernic Agent Basic' to help you with your searches ... its quite a good tool. Here's my current collection of saves...will add more as i can... http://www.militaryheritage.com/cd_1.htm http://www.warflag.com/napflags/html/flags.htm http://www.thelordz.co.uk/ http://www.matrixgames.com/games/NapoleonicWars/ http://www3.sympatico.ca/napoleon1empereur/ http://www.napoleonguide.com/navyind.htm http://www.nir-project.com/ http://www.matrixgames.com/Games/NapoleonicWars/features.asp --------------- http://perso.club-internet.fr/ameliefr/E-index2.html (Napoleonic Screen Saver Available Here) http://www.napoleon-series.org/ http://web2.airmail.net/napoleon/homepage2.html http://www.geocities.com/CollegePark/Den/7664/napoleon.html http://www.napoleonguide.com/maps_hmheilsberg.htm http://www.quotationspage.com/quotes.php3?author=Napoleon+Bonaparte http://www.napoleonguide.com/maps_hmheilsberg.htm http://www.cdgroup.org/forums/tbs/civ2/viewtopic.php?p=2997 (CIV II - MOD) [if you have the CIV II game...you can download 1) MAIN Files 1---[ http://www.cdgroup.org/upload/tbs/civ2/GNB4_MAIN_FILES1.zip ] 2) MAIN Files 2---[ http://www.cdgroup.org/upload/tbs/civ2/GNB4_MAIN_FILES2.zip ] 3) Additional GAME Files---[ http://www.cdgroup.org/upload/tbs/civ2/GNB4_Additional_Files.zip ] 4) SOUND 1---[ http://www.cdgroup.org/upload/tbs/civ2/GNB4_SOUND1.zip ] 5) SOUND 2---[ http://www.cdgroup.org/upload/tbs/civ2/GNB4_SOUND2.zip ] *** Queipo de Llano & fantomas ...If either of you are truely trying to develop a NAPOLEONIC-MOD for SC2 and don't have this game...i can try send CIV II to you...Otherwise i will not...as considerable effort is involved sometimes in sending these games!(Let me know at this posting or amgi3@comcast.net or both!).*** NOTE-WELL!!!: I got the game to work...though the game-interface & game mechanics are quite-ANTIQUATED,...it will take some familiarization with the game before it can be played with any justice!. CIV II - MOD- GNB4 'GREAT NAPOLEONIC BATTLES' Winter Season In Russia-GNB4 'GREAT NAPOLEONIC BATTLES' http://www.chipsbits.com/cgi-bin/order.cbi_home?source=80449&newpage=infopages/NAPOB3CW.IR.html http://www.napoleonsims.com/battles/battles.htm (Under Construction) http://www.napoleonguide.com/histchan_lof.htm (Animated Napoleonic Battles) http://www.jon.steadman.btinternet.co.uk/napoleonic/battles.htm http://www.thehawks.50megs.com/photo3.html http://100megsfree4.com/napwars/ --------------- Uniforms- Miniatures / Figurines...Idea Pool for Units https://www.ballantynes-walkerburn.com/acatalog/index.html?https%3A//www.ballantynes-walkerburn.com/acatalog/French__Figurines.html&CatalogBody [Then Click 'Site Map' & 'Sections' to see the full spectrum of Products] http://www.britishpaintbox.co.uk/britishpaintboxmain.htm http://www.shopping-emporium.co.uk/military-figurines/index.htm http://www.fortunecity.com/victorian/riley/787/Napoleon/ http://66.70.205.236/Merchant2/merchant.mv?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=TD&Category_Code=3068 http://www.koiosworks.com/figures_greeks.htm [ July 04, 2004, 07:48 PM: Message edited by: Retributar ]

Supply U-Boat or Milch Cows(Milk Cows). See previous posting on page1... Turning The Tide Against The U-Boats!. This loss of submarines, particularly the milch cows, was a severe blow to the German Navy. With diminished capability for refueling U-boats at sea, and with no friendly bases in the area, Admiral Karl Doenitz, commander of the German U-boat fleet, was forced to withdraw his remaining supply submarines and cancel all U-boat operations in the central Atlantic.

Ohh about the Manhatten project...the US had only enough material to build those two bombs that dropped on Nagasaki and Hiroshima...for actual combat use. Then they would have no more...not for a while...how long i dont know. I think the materials were coming from Uranium City in the Yukon in Canada or someplace like that.

I Concur again Liam... ...and i dont say that lightly!. Offhand without actual figures...i believe it cost the Germans 3 V-2 slave laborers lives for every life that the V-2 Rocket weapons claimed!. The only time im convinced that the Rocket programme would have amounted to anything really useful is if and when they would have had the V-3 operational with a Dirty-Bomb or an A-Bomb and be able to hit New-York-City or Chicago!. Then...the Americans would have to seriously look at suing for peace!.

Turning The Tide Against The U-Boats!. As far as Submarines being more effective...i don't see how that can happen!. The Allies used Radar/Sonar... and could see where the German Subs were in or on the water...the Sub's couldn't hide...and as well...the Americans were turning out large numbers of JEEP Escort Carriers. These were small carriers designed at first to protect convoys crossing the Atlantic!. http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/ships/carriers/cv-escrt.html In the Atlantic, escort carriers originally stayed close to the convoys they were protecting. Over time, tactics evolved that enabled the Jeep carriers and their destroyer escorts to become independent "hunter-killer" groups. They could attack concentrations of U-boats at will and were no longer required to provide constant umbrella coverage for a convoy. This tactic was further refined by having the escort carrier groups concentrate their efforts in areas where U-boats met their supply submarines ("milch cows"). This operational phase was so successful that three Jeeps — USS Core (CVE 13), USS Card (CVE 11) and USS Bogue (CVE 9) — and their escorting destroyers sank a total of 16 U-boats and 8 milch cows in a period of 98 days. During this time, U-boats sank only one merchantman and shot down only three planes from the escort carriers. This loss of submarines, particularly the milch cows, was a severe blow to the German Navy. With diminished capability for refueling U-boats at sea, and with no friendly bases in the area, Admiral Karl Doenitz, commander of the German U-boat fleet, was forced to withdraw his remaining supply submarines and cancel all U-boat operations in the central Atlantic.

fantomas if you need Breakthrough in the Ardenne's...i can send it to you...just let me know if you need it!.

Well Lars i can't dispute your answer!. I will however say that if sufficient resources were allocated to this project early enough in the game...i think they could have pulled it off. For now i will post this information, then add to it as i have the time and can find it!. ------------------- http://www.taivaansusi.net/historia/Bomb.htm ------------------- Chit-Chat Discussion at a chat-site...'Third Reich Forum'. http://www.thirdreich.net/German_A_Bomb.html Main Page: http://www.thirdreich.net/index.html In 1941 or 1942 the Nazis decided that they would win the war and no new super weapons were to be developed. The nuclear program was shifted from bombs to powerplants (of which 2 were operational by early 1945). If the nazi's would have invested in bomb development instead of plant development from 1941 on, they might have had one or two bombs instead of plants in early 1945???. Regardless of whether how one evaluates Heisenberg's inner thoughts and motivations on the subject, one thing can be defintely asserted - the Germans were not pursuing the subject very hard. Without much larger allocation of resources to the project, a German atomic bomb would never have come to fruition. Funding it needed cuts would have had to be made that would have been felt at the front lines. Could Germany risk it ? They had plenty of uranium, a few thousand tons of refined uranium oxide was on hand (more than the entire Manhattan Project consumed). The Vemork heavy water plant is often discussed, since it was Germany's only source during the war. But *why* was this their only source. Even at maximum output it was incapable of supplying D2O for more than one laboratory reactor. It was entirely inadequate for even a small weapons project. Put yourself in Germany's shoes. An atomic bomb is a long range thing. It is something you plan and research and spend enormous sums of money on today in the hopes of having one 2-3 years later. That assumes a long war of economic attrition, precisely the kind of war Germany knew it could never win atom bomb or no atom bomb and precisely the kind of war the Allies knew they were going to fight. A nation that chose not to build heavy bombers for the future because it needed ground support planes now would not have chosen to invest the enormous sums needed for a Manhattan Projest as opposed to having tanks and planes right now. What if the project was a bust ? Could Germany have afforded an unsuccessful Manhattan Project ? What Germany scientist could have afforded the cost of failure in a police state ? After all no one knew for certain whether the bomb could actually be built. [ June 28, 2004, 07:39 PM: Message edited by: Retributar ]

Lars Quote: http://www.barnesreview.org/May_2002/WW2_/ww2_.html REMEMBER...POLAND WAS NOT THE FIRST VICTIM OF HITLER'S REGIME... Hitler had been on his expansionist rampage for a while by this time. Roosevelt and Churchill were in secret communication before Churchill became prime minister . This is the reason why Tyler Kent, who worked in the code room in the American Embassy in London beginning in 1939, was thrown in prison as soon as Churchill took office. Kent was sentenced not for anything criminal, but because of what he knew. Roosevelt would not rescue this American citizen from Churchill’s clutches because Kent had proof that FDR was promising the British leader that he would eventually come into the war . Churchill records a conversation he and Harry Hopkins had on January 10, 1941: The president is determined that we shall win the war together. Make no mistake about it. He has sent me here to tell you that at all costs and by all means he will carry you through, no matter what happens to him. There is nothing that he will not do, so far as he has human power.3 ---------- Churchill became prime minister on May 10, 1941. When the Germans captured Poland, they found in the Polish archives the evidence about the part FDR played in getting the fuse of World War II lit . These Polish records were transported to Berlin for safekeeping, and when Germany fell to the Allies, they were shipped to Washington, where they were kept under lock and key for about 20 years so that no one could see them. David Irving reports in Hitler’s War what these documents say: A different aspect of Roosevelt’s policy was revealed by the Polish documents ransacked by the Nazis from the archives of the ruined foreign ministry buildings in Warsaw. The dispatches of the Polish ambassadors in Washington and Paris laid bare Roosevelt’s efforts to goad France and Britain into war with Germany while he rearmed the United States and psychologically prepared the American public for war. . . . n spring of 1939, [Ambassador William C.] Bullitt quoted Roosevelt as being determined “not to participate in the war from the start, but to be in at the finish.” . . . The Warsaw document left little doubt as to what had stiffened Polish resistance during the August 1939 crisis. [ June 28, 2004, 06:38 PM: Message edited by: Retributar ]

Roosevelt45 Quote: To show that those peace-loving idiots of prime ministers(Chamberlain for the UK and Daladier for France) did't want to 'provoce' the Germans and ... . The real reality is that...they wern't overly concerned about provoking the Germans...Roosevelt promised Churchill that the United States would get into the war to defeat Germany. So yes...the British & French were Peaceloving...but not terrified of the Germans.

Roosevelt45...the Germans had the technology for a dirty-bomb...and could also have had the Atom-Bomb without Einsteins help... BUT!!!... Scaled back the progect as it seemed it would not be necessary in view of how the war was going for them at the time. They felt that those resources could be better used elsewhere. This is why also Jet-Technology was left in the doldrums as well...they felt that the war would be over before anything like Jets would become necessary. Now...my assertions are based on what im sure i can remember of these situations...if necessary i can find them on the internet to prove these points!.

http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Parthenon/3818/EASTBALT.HTM POLAND In making plans to attack Poland, Hitler had quite a problem. Not only was Poland fairly strong militarily but she also had an alliance with Britain and France, which meant that if he attacked Poland then he would also be at war with Britain and France. He figured he could handle that, but what about the Soviet Union? With Hitler being unsure of the Soviet reaction if he invaded Poland, Hitler did not dare to invade Poland. The Soviet Union, Britain and France tried to form a triple alliance in order to defend against Hitler, but it never came to pass. While on the surface Stalin was trying to make an alliance with Britain and France he was in fact carrying on secret negotiations with the Nazis in order to obtain guarantees of Soviet safety from the Germans . On August 23, 1939 the world was shocked to learn that a German Soviet non-aggression pact had been signed. In effect, the pact meant that Germany was free and clear to invade Poland without fear of interference from the Soviet Union. Also, Germany was to take Western Poland as a part of its new territory while the Soviet Union was to take Eastern Poland, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania and Finland. This Pact was considered by many as an act of great immorality. Roosevelt45 your Arguments hold no water...they are fallacies Stalin replied that he thought that England must be bluffing; he knew that Britain had only two divisions that could be mobilized at once, and he thought that Britain must know how bad the French Army was and what little reliance could be placed on it. He could not imagine that Britain would enter the war with such weakness While on the surface Stalin was trying to make an alliance with Britain and France he was in fact carrying on secret negotiations with the Nazis in order to obtain guarantees of Soviet safety from the Germans. France, waiting for the British to arrive in significant numbers, kept behind their wall : Soviet and Nazi collaboration In Moscow in August of 1942, Churchill asked Stalin how he had come to sign the pact with Hitler in 1939. Stalin replied that he thought that England must be bluffing; he knew that Britain had only two divisions that could be mobilized at once, and he thought that Britain must know how bad the French Army was and what little reliance could be placed on it. He could not imagine that Britain would enter the war with such weakness. ------------- http://www.grolier.com/wwii/wwii_3.html On March 31, the British government, attempting to forestall the German dictator, had given a unilateral guarantee of Poland's territorial integrity. (France had a military alliance with Poland dating back to 1921.) In July 1939, under the guise of conducting summer maneuvers, strong German forces moved into assembly areas on the Polish border. Others were sent to East Prussia on the pretext that they were to take part in celebrating the twenty-fifth anniversary of the Battle of Tannenberg (now Stebark). In the first three weeks of August, German-inspired civil disorders broke out in Danzig and the Polish Corridor, and the remaining units scheduled to participate in the attack moved up to the border. On August 22, Hitler assembled the generals who would command the larger units and told them that the time was ripe to resolve the differences with Poland by war and to test the new German military machine. He predicted that Great Britain and France would not intervene. He intended to begin the attack on August 26. In a last attempt to intimidate Hitler, Great Britain announced on August 25 that she had entered into a full-fledged alliance with Poland. http://victoria.tc.ca/~d.piney/WW2.htm Hitler than made an offer of peace to Britain and France: he had never declared war on them (and never did during the entire course of the war) and did not seek a war with them. Making the offer of peace in a speech in Berlin, Hitler put no pre-conditions other than that the two European nations recognized the right of Germany to re-incorporate the German lands in Poland. The offer was rejected out of hand by both the British and French governments. Still no military action took place: caught in between building up military reserves and trying to end the war by diplomatic means, Germany kept behind its Siegfried Wall. France, waiting for the British to arrive in significant numbers, kept behind their wall : both sides feared above all else a repeat of the static trench war of 1914-1918. The Sitting War, or Sitzkrieg, continued from September 1939 until May 1940. http://www.naval-history.net/WW2CampaignsBritain.htm DECLARATIONS OF WAR After Germany invades Poland on September 1st 1939, Britain and France demand the withdrawal of German forces. The ultimatum expires and at 11.15am on the 3rd, Prime Minister Neville Chamberlain broadcasts to announce that Britain is at war with Germany. He forms a War Cabinet with Winston Churchill as First Lord of the Admiralty. --------------- Here's an article that will BEND-YOUR-MIND... World War II Alternate History By: Dale Cozort World War II Alternate History For February 1998: http://members.aol.com/dalecoz/WW2_0298.htm [ June 28, 2004, 05:21 PM: Message edited by: Retributar ]

E-G-Z-A-C T-A-C-A-L-L-Y ! ! !

Look's like those who can provide them...don't see any need to provide more screenshots just yet. Personally im tired of looking at the old ones and could use a couple of dozen new ones to look at myself!.

I Concur Liam

Excel your argument is valid...and that's what we want...is a historical WW2 game. Also...besides that...we would like to explore what-if alternatives...so using these events allows us now to see what could-have or might have happened. These EVENTS if ever implemented...will be able to be toggled on or off...so no harm done to the Main-Historical-Game.

The Allies forced the Poles not to mobilize! ...in order to fully mobilize...the Poles would have to go against the wishes of their so called allies. I don't understand what really happened there but...i'll speculate, i suspect that Britain and France knew that they would have to face the Germans soon...and needed more time themselves to mobilize...especially the British. They may have wanted to garner the Frendship of the Russians...and thus...allowed Poland to be Sacrificed (To appease the Russians...no action would be taken to attack Germany from France)...in order to reap the benefit of an alliance with the Russians. At that particular time period...Stalin did not really believe that Hitler would attack him (Infact he was convinced of that)...so Stalin was not concerned about Poland being an Ally...and instead prefered to profit from taking Polish Territory...therefore...so attacked Poland at the same time that the Germans did...by mutual agreement. ------------- I really like the idea of a pre-phase turn before the actual turn...it would certainly add UNCERTAINTY into the game. It may not make it for this game...we'll see!. This pre-phase turn could be toggled to comply with the players desire to incorporate a random factor (some that have already been mentioned in this posting and the AI wish-list posting) or it could be toggled in the set-up game menu to be applied each time one excersises to to initiate the Event. The computer player would be able to use random events as well. [ June 28, 2004, 06:36 PM: Message edited by: Retributar ]

FULL-POLISH-MOBILIZATION--- 'THE HISTORY OF POLAND: THE SECOND WORLD WAR'.--- 'Edwin P'... could you please take a look at these web-pages... http://darbysrangers.tripod.com/id65.htm http://www.wwiivehicles.com/html/poland/7tp.html I myself am short on knowledge about the Polish-Effort...but, according to these readings...the Polish did a lot of damage to the Wehrmacht...and could have done much more if...read... "Poland had been forced (by Britain and France) to delay mobilisation (which they claimed might be interpreted as aggressive behaviour) so that, at the time of invasion, only about one-third of her total potential manpower was mobilised!." "After fighting on two fronts against both German and Soviet forces, surrendered on October 5th. The Poles had held on for twice as long as had been expected and had done more damage to the Germans than the combined British and French forces were to do in 1940. The Germans lost 50,000 men, 697 planes and 993 tanks and armoured cars." Polish Tanks were superb for the time period...read on... "The recently-designed 7TP "czolg lekki", or light tank, the first in the world to be designed with a diesel engine , proved to be superior to German tanks of the same class (the PzKpfw I and II) inflicting serious damage to the German forces, limited only by the fact that they were not used in concentrated groups. They were absorbed by the Germans into their own Panzer divisions at the end of the campaign. 7TP light tank Only 132 were produced. 7TP tanks were used in the 1st and the 2nd Light Tank Battalions; and also in two improvised Warsaw Defence HQ Light Tank Compannies (the 2nd - 11 twin-turret tanks, and the 5th - 11 single-turret tanks of the newest production. The Wehrmacht had so under-rated Polish anti-tank capabilities (the Polish-designed anti-tank gun was one of the best in the world at that time) that they had gone into action with white "balkankreuz", or crosses, prominently displayed in eight locations; these crosses made excellent aiming points for Polish gun-sights and forced the Germans to radically rethink their national insignia!." This to me needs the same attention as the other postings for AI and Events in the game... . If the Polish were able to fully-mobilize...who knows what the outcome could have been. At any rate...such an event such as 'Full-Polish-Mobilization'...would or could have had many ramifications to it!. [ June 26, 2004, 11:00 PM: Message edited by: Retributar ]

Actually...Bravo!...'GenMark'...you did very well indeed!.

Why wouln't it be sold in Canada???...virtually almost everything you can buy in the United States can be purchased in Canada.