Iron Ranger

yea just what I was thinking

Aye great AAR, looks like UK was not watching out for a late sealion. Allways a good way to finish of the allies i say!

Why does everyone think that Air is so overpowered? Massed air, as pointed out in another thread is a issue.. the ability to mass it in NA then 1-2 weeks latter have it massed in Russia is a valid point. SC 1 air was very overpowered (and in CVs) but there the long range, max tech of 5 jets were just BS. Is that still true here, in SC2?

Wow has this thread gone off the mark! DT some very nice points, and I was making an extreme example with the 'stupid' rules. What I and I think others were trying to point out is that SC (one or two) is a simple war game based around WW2 (beer and chips please). Not a historical sim on WW2, in fact I dont know of anywhere that they push that feature. And I do understand your fear (?) that people are trying to drive it away from what it is ment to be post 'gold'. The AI sucks, and it will suck in general. Its going to be damn near impossiable to make one 1/2 as good as the best players and at best close to the average players. This needs to improve and from HC's past work I'm sure he'll do his best. The fact that you can go back to the end of SC1 and see that people were pointing this out (see my last post on SC1 forums)only shows that this issue is not new. One of the most important issues on needing a better AI is the lack of HvH that you can get right now. Long on IRC and find me a time when you can easly(!) find someone to play. Perhaps you need to live in eroupe to do this as few of the US players seam to be online. Editor, I didnt by the game to program and I'm not happy with those that point to this as the end all save all solution. I"m happy that those that wish to use it, and will try thier mods. But again, using this as a defence to people's constructive critisum is unwise. Make notes of thier complaints and ask for more detail if needed... like DD has in the past. The 'I give up' factor in SC. This has to be one of the major reason's I left this forum / game. Both as I was disapointed in other peoples unwillingness to play it through and my own 'droping' of games that were unwinnable (but still playable). I'm already starting to see it again so perhaps that German league is where I'll end up, but if people want to play pvp then they better damn well play it till close to the end or they will soon run out of people interested in playing them. "ahh well I put 5 chits in Russia with UK and not one hit.. lost egypt in spring 1940. I give up.. say want to play again?" Now wtf .... forget it I'm on a rampage! Ok.. bottom like. This guy is leaving, he said why and I think thats in a hope someone will fix them. Good luck HC or perhaps these problems are not really problems for they game design / area you want SC2 to be considered in.

Once you decide not to take it seriously as an historical sim, SC2 is a lot more fun. I think if you go all the way back to the early days of SC1 you will see many of the 'known' players repeating this or pointing it out. Its a beer and chips game thats 'balanced'. If it was a historical sim, why would anyone play Axis? You would have to build in 'stupid' scripts for them. Script "AH has disided that all units in France must attack.. no matter how damaged or location. You can not end the turn untill all units in this country (including HQs) have done this"

Good question, is this only on soft builds or does it effect Naval and Air as well?

Nov 2 1941 The axis show thier hand in Egypt. Two bombers work over the citys while the Para unit drops into an undefended Amman. With the Italian marines comming and smashing the UK air on the beachs they deside to make a quick dash back to Iraq and rethink what they are going to with the Africa Korps and this guy Rommel. Russia, disturbed by what is happening in Egypt makes ready for war and the Axis respond in kind. The border is full of troops ready to invade the motherland for the fatherland. Western Eroupe is quiet with minor air battles over Brest.

Sept 14 41 Russia is over 75% readness while the US is deap in Isolation Policy (sub 20%). Reports from NA are a combined force marching on the Red Sea and should meet the UK forces returning from Iraq soon. UK holds Breast but the Germanys have cleared the corps that landed there last week. Techs are looking pritty sad considering how little combat we have seen.

Augest 24 41 With Malta gone the first move by the Axis in NA is seen, the slow advance of the Italian army across the sand. UK still holds Brest without a units while its Bomber works over the Iraq Capital.

July 27th More of the same Malta will not give up so the Axis will not advance. UK takes Brest, Iraq see's the light and joins the gray horde's. USSR is getting ready but USA seams to want to sit this one out.

June 1 41 Russia is starting to feel they are now welcome in the new eroupe. Malta continues to get bombed, Brest is betting Guned to death.

June 1 41 Russia is starting to feel they are now welcome in the new eroupe. Malta continues to get bombed, Brest is betting Guned to death.

Feb 23 Sweden once again sending Ore to the German mills. Malta rejects the axis and eats tons and tons of bombs from 5 air fleets. All white under a light covering of snow.

Dec 1st A new winter is in Eroupe and little is seen of this 'World War'. Both sides must be seaching for the meaning of life as thier is little to no combat and less sightings of troops by eather side. US and USSR around 25% readness, No convoys for german, Rom and Hun join early, no Iraq convoys for UK. No movement in the Med.

Oct 6th Everying is quiet, too quiet. War plans are being made but who will be the first to show thier hand? Nothing much happening. Minor air battles over UK and no visable movement anywhere else.

Aug 18th Germany sends home its troops but keeps one Army group in France... near the ports. UK starts to send bombers over Eroupe and Germany trys to defend its citys. Italy is sitting out the war, just watching for ships to pass by.

July 21 France see's the light and joins the axis in turning the world it a better place for all man kind. Saidly on Hungarian corps is sacroficed for the good of the team and several armor units are damaged in kicking De Gaul out of paris.

July 7th Paris is attacked from all sides. The French CO has killed himself and only the armored group of De Gaul stands between Germanys and its first great victory.

June 16th The RN is out in force and the French have left the fortifications on the border so the Panzers turn east, not south and destory a few more French armys. Romainia seeing that the Axis will be the winning side as DOWed France and hopes to take part of the spoils

May 19th The winter weather clears. Motors can be heard starting and idleing in Paris. Fast moving german units cross the border of Ben/Lux and swing out ot the sea, tanks so fast that they scream by the French units on the coast and cut south pointing to the City of Lights in one week.

March 24th 1940 The planes over scandinavia are filled with diplomats seaking to avoid the spilled blood that runs to the ground in central Eroupe. All the troops stay indoors but are they notice the bunks are now all filled with new face's.

Jan 28 and everyone is staying inside. Some minor battles on the French German border but its too cold for that now. Sweden sends an word to Hitlar that they are not happy with his 'Wood for Iron Ore' program as they have alot of wood an thier land already.

WInter War in the west, nothing much happening. Germans getting new gear to replace what was lost in Poland and Italy drinking wine as the UK sail from Egypt to the Rock.

Oct of 1939 and Poland signs over the lands germany wants. All but 2 units destoryed but the last ones gave bad as good as they got. Several units at 4/5ths strenght. Air battles over the french coal mine and U30 is running for its life in the alantic.

Late Sept and the germans clear Warsaw of troops but start drinking too soon and forget the enter the city. TO aid them the Hungarians deside to join the fight and DOW Poland.