KG ThorsHammer

incredibly from what i have read, stationary non armored targets were apparently engaged at up to 1000 metres!...although practical engagment range for anti armour usage was suggested up to 150metres. Good info is available here http://www.geocities.com/Augusta/8172/panzerfaust3.htm

hmmm,,well in order to fire the new ammunition, a fitting was placed on the end of the barrel on which the large HC round was placed...I would say that is a conversion

Glad i came across this thread. As has already been mentioned, a hollow charge round fitted to the end of 37mms gave them new life. Those that watched band of brothers may remember the scene during the attack on Carenten when the Fallschrimjagers wheeled one of them into position and fired it at infantry. I have been unable to find any good info on numbers of these conversions, usage and the same of similar guns. Anyone have a good site or two?

I agree with Tigrii; early on ,the Germans relied on tactics to overcome superior Russian tanks. I havnt got my CMBB copy yet, But from what I understand, the Russian crews arent that great early on. Charging is probably your best bet, as has already been said, hits at that range would be unlikely. Get in close and swarm..expect to take losses, but it is the only way.

now now guys..no need to be nasty

You are probably right,,the only thing I could suggest would be to keep infantry or a light vehicle right with the tanks, so when the AI tries it again, they will be gunned down at close range

Is anyone out there working on mods relating to the 5th ss Pz Dv " Viking ". A very well done Panther A of the Viking Dv was done for CMBO, but I cant remember who did that one. There are some shots of it at the link below Panther A [ December 26, 2002, 06:14 AM: Message edited by: KG ThorsHammer ]

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by all means..if you have some info from the russian books you mentioned earlier that would be of interest..I may have misinterpreted your post as being somewhat "meow".....well anyway..carry on

well...the russians were of course the first to use paratroopers, but not as a tactical weapon..and sliding off the wing of an aircraft is not the best way to do it:P

hmm,,,the question was armoured fist or combined arms and how the germans should have learned from the russians and used combined arms. I havnt read the Russian books you listed, but if you are saying the Russians invented combined arms I will have to ask you to put down the crack pipe .

nothing, just an example of lack of direction on production. The only argument that could have been made was that with only the pz4 tank being produced in decent numbers while the bugs in the panther were being slowly worked out, the pz 3 was necessary to keep tank numbers up. This holds no salt with me however, as it was simply to inferior to be worthwhie:)

when i am selecting forces, i first figure out what i want, then i delete them all and select them again based on what troops/equipment are going to be grouped together during the battle. When they appear on the map, they start from the bottom right and go left. Basically, it just makes it easier as the units that will fight together are side by side on the map/ It is especially important for big games.

I cant beleive what I am hearing....Germans not learning from the Russians??!! It was the German armed forces that pioneered combined arms tactics in which tanks, infantry and artillary(ground or air), worked together to smash through the enemy front lines. The Russians eventually learned these lessons and put them to use with their own style. The problem the Germans faced as the war dragged on, was massive numerical superiority of their opponents in every department, especially the air. During the Kursk offensive, Model, (having only a few Pz Dvs), attempted to use his infantry Divisions to breach soviet lines for his armour, but they were simply outnumbered. Manstein had much more armour to play with and attacked with his Pz units which broke through to the last defensive lines. Although the offensive failed, the Russians suffered 850,000 casualties to the Germans 100,000. Inflicting an 8.5 to 1 casualty ratio attacking against a well prepared superior forces and coming close to victory is not indicative of faulty tactics. The biggest problem facing the Germans was Mr Adolf. Not allowing withdrawls cost huge numbers of troops and equipment, sapping the strength of the army. Generals did the best they could to cope under the circumstances. With ever increasing losses in men and material throughout the bulk of the army, The panzer and panzer grenadier divisions were given priority in men and equipment, making them the only units with the strength for offensive operations, and yet many were still really to weak to be effective. During the bulge, the hurridly raised volksgrenadier divisions did poorly, forcing the pz units into action prematurely. Most did well, but were too weak to maintain combat for long. Too summarize; when Pz Dvs were at a good strength level, their combined arms attacks were effective at breakthroughs, and pursuits, but deprived of manpower, vehicles, fuel and under air attack, success was fleeting.