Sarge Saunders

I've had squads surrender very early in the game without any morale issues or pounding. Worked like this: Squads run orders took it through a previously unseen barbed wire emplacement. Then they came under fire suddenly from an MG. 2 Guys died and the rest immediately surrendered. All this within the span of one 60-second turn. Once entangled in the barbed wire, even the retreat option was no good. The TacAI must've figured they'd be dead either way forward or backward so they simply surrendered. - Sarge

Well, in a historical sense, almost anything could have happened in this regard. I guess I am thinking at the CM level, battalion(s) and below, this was not very common. My point is that people mixing force type are not really trying to play a "what if?" so much as a pick-and-choose. Sure German Fallschirmjaeger did fight along side panzers at times. But the "pick-and-choose" types will play this way always because Fallschirmjaeger sqauds are awesome! and you can't be without armor. My example was people mixing soviet airborne SMG (ultra-high firepower) with Guards infantry (more ammo) with infantry pioneer (cheap) instead of just playing all Guards or something. disclaimer: I don't want to come of as a CM snob or anything. I have long-time opponents who I play an "anything goes" style with and it is fun. But I also have played opponents using the more or less "historical" OOB approach. -Sarge

That is the first time that I hear somebody calling this gamey, an opponent who chooses to buy guns without transport depends a lot on his luck to find initial setup positions. So he trades mobility for the possibility of an ambush position. Since I use this tactic I would like to know how many transport units I should buy to not be considered gamey, e.g. one per gun or one for every two guns etc.. Are Stugs considered to be transport units? I think in CMBB they can tow guns but in CMBO they can't. On the subject of bringing guns embarked into battle, does this refer only to attackers? I hope somebody can clarify this for me, because I don't want to be gamey at all (I normally buy some transport units, more or less 1 transport unit for 3 guns plus Stugs). </font>

Those wishing to fully understand "gameyness" need to make distinctions, where possible, between gamey, unrealistic, and un-historical practices. IMO these things are intertwined but I honestly don't think there are any tactics that give an advantage to one player over the other. But there are tactics that give an advantage to one nationality over the other and this is normal. Just a couple things may seem "gamey" or otherwise detract from realistic play IMHO. 1. bringing towed guns (without transport) to a meeting engagement. (some may also argue that attackers should bring guns embarked to a battle) 2. using "unrestricted" division type in an effort to maximize points/firepower. An example of this is purchasing Guards/Airborne SMG/Infantry pioneer at the same time in companies or less). 3. using flamethrowers to burn buildings before enemy infantry can arrive and thus limit approaches to a defensive position. (this one is also iffy since now it seems in CMBB that infantry can_enter_burning_buildings) Not sure about it but BFC may have allowed this to prevent gamey tactics but in the end it seems unrealistic for infantry to fight from or pass through burning structures. All this being said the following practices can be followed: Always use rarity. Always use EFOW. Always use units from a single division type. No more than 1 coy per battalion of SMG troops. -Sarge

Ummm, That looks like an upper hull hit which can happen when hull-down. Had it been a lower hull hit I would be worried... -Sarge

Congrats BFC. Well deserved for your cutting edge work in wargaming! Confirms my belief that small software shops can offer an innovative and excellent product. -Sarge

Just tried this battle after seeing the thread. I had one Vet Panther take out an SU-152 from 3015 meters on the first shot! Incredible. Yeah this is the kind of map that Panthers will rule on. Nice job Rune. -Sarge

81mm/82mm FOs in EVERY BATTLE! The russian 122mm FO comes in different varieties like howitzer/gun, etc. Rarity can make one a bargain sometimes. Takes a while to get going but once it does count on a trickle of big booms for 3-5 turns with 1 correction.

No way. Finlandia vodka rules! :cool: </font>

That is the coolest vodka ever!! :cool:

It annoys me also with non-vehicle enemy units. With vehicles you can toggle them off and target right underneath (with HE only of course). This is a brilliant idea IMO. For me it would enhance the game immensely. I'd even be willing to pay extra $$for a feature like that! :cool: Must be fanatisicm. But that would only be in scenarios/ops. QBs don't have fanatic units that I know of.... I think around 30 meters. But you can manually target other squad weapons (eg. satchel charges, grenade bundles) to a point up to 30 meters away. Well it can be learned with practice. Here are a couple of examples: Heavy Small Building holds 2 infantry units of any kind. But they must be at opposite corners. Large Heavy Building can easily hold one platoon plus and AT team on each floor. But you have to keep your spacing right about 10-15 meters apart. This is realistic IMO. Advancing units may pin when under fire but it is more rare for them to go straight to panic like running units. However, Assaulting units do get a bravery bonus I think. Also, be sure to use your bravery command bonus HQs to command assaulting units. Do that and you (and your opponents) will be amazed at how your untis continue to advance under MG fire! I don't think so and I wish the defensive bonus where cumulative. This is probably a limitation of the current game "engine". Yes for AT guns. Tanks that "dig in" are permanently hull-down. This varies widely and is somewhat random (even more so it seems in CMBB than BO). For example a 75mm HE gun slamming into a small heavy building may take up to 10 rounds to take it down. But I have seen "lucky" hits blow up a building (once it was weakened by 2 or 3 rounds) without a long time pounding. -Sarge [ February 18, 2003, 05:43 PM: Message edited by: Sarge Saunders ]

Pud, I like it. Thanks. It does need some tweaking though. I'll see what can be done in my spare time. -Sarge

Ditto that. I D/Led his MG42, SMGs, and rifle sounds. BTW, Does anyone know of a Maxim MG mod? The default sound has the typical "TAT, TAT, TAT...TAT, TAT, TAT, TAT, " but I wanted something again with more punch or crispness. When a Maxium is shooting at me, I want to KNOW IT! :cool: -Sarge

Hey Biltong! Thanks for the maps. I've downloaded them. Lately I like to find a nice map and link consecutive QBs together with the QB map/unit import feature. Not quite as intense as your campaign but fun nevertheless! -Sarge

Have you ever seen a T34 with smoke rounds in CMBB? Not modelled.....sorry.

Hi Warphead, I definately don't want to come off as rude since I value the time it takes to create a scenario. The problem I had was partly due to the CMBB scoring system and engine (I played PBEM). My infantry held the town and all flags. I had even ambushed the first german hafltracks successfully. I did NOT attempt to take on the Tiger directly. My T34s made a dash for the town when it became clear they were needed there. I left T34s in overwatch to distract the Tiger while the rest fast-moved using very carefully planned courses....staying on the road for maximum speed. Once the lead tank is hit, all the following tanks do that crazy dance of TacAI by reversing 8 meters, forward 10, reverse 5, forward 6, oh no the Tiger is targetting me I better reverse again. Naturally my order and intent was to get some T34s to town no matter what but once TacAI overrides orders to avoid a burning tank then it is easy for them to be overidden by the TacAI again to do the "run and hide from the Tiger" thing. What unbalances it (IMHO) is that once enough T34s are KOed then the axis player has enough victory points to win without even attacking the town. In other words, the allied victory points from casualties outweighed any victory points that could be scored from holding flags. This took all the fun out of it for me and my opponent and we ended early. IMHO, making the King Tiger crack gives a very good chance that what you described historically would happen. However, if that should happen to lend historical feel then something needs to be in place to offset it and give the soviet player something more to fight for.....like more flags or something. Cheers, Sarge [ January 14, 2003, 07:08 PM: Message edited by: Sarge Saunders ]

Mortars should be subjected to artillery fire by a green enemy FO. That way if it takes too long to hit the hole and move on the shells start raining down! Does wind affect mortar accuracy? Gotta have water obstacles....

Marxdorf was done by my pal Warphead. When it comes to these things he is as pedantic as one can be. The forces included are there for a reason, and judging from the amount of material that he researched for this area of operations, they are as historic as can be.</font>

**SPOILER*** Hi Rune, Sorry about the confusion but speaking for myself, I was not thinking of one of your scenarios. The description of a crack KT vs. T34/85s made me think of Marxdorf which is not one of yours. Mad Bull and I played that a while back and it left a bad taste for me.... What is the name of the one you wrote with a KT? I'll be sure and play the german side when it comes up! Cheers, Sarge

I know the bundled scenario in question here and people who may be confused should realize this is a KING Tiger. It is (nearly) impossible to KO the Crack King Tiger with the forces given if the axis player has even a clue. Also, I might add, this scenario sports about 30 bazillion axis halftracks and trucks in April 1945. Uhmmmm, regardless of anything else that is not very historical IMHO.

But not so good for the Motherland!

Does that make a difference? Somehow I always thought it was the experience of the HQ that factored command range.

They could do the U.S. no bigger favor than to attack us with tanks. We've had that covered pretty well since the cold war.

Just noticed that satchel charges are not replenished with a QB map/units import. Personally I did not mind the behavior of non-resupply before 1.01. But now at least we should see the satchel charges resupplied, no? -Sarge

Cool review! Congratulations BFC. That is some excellent PR. -Sarge