Holien

Yep I agree the swings can be explained by all those factors... As for TRP's these can be legit in most situations. Arty is often zero'd on key targets well before any battle starts and this could have been done days in advance. Be it attack or defence a TRP or two helps give the player who uses it well an edge and I do not think it needs any strecth of the imagination to allow for it. The only situations perhaps where it would not be realistic is if you are re-creating a meeting engagement which is un-planned. As for Luck I agree luck plays a big role, some would say you make your own luck and I would agree with that as well. Was it luck that I placed a TRP on Wolfies central defences around the X Road? Or was it his bad choice to place his forces there? H

Hi KR, Yep still lurking as I am UK based and we don't have something here yet. I am considering the USA route... Anyway before that spike character gloats over our lack of software onto the Push... I was up against Wolfie and very worried about his reputation. As the Attacker I knew at those ranges (low vis) I would be prey to his AT assets and really need to play a difficult game of keeping my tanks far enough back to avoid the AT's and close enough to support my poor foot sloggers. The TRPs worked a treat as Wolfie had good foxholes around the X roads. I had a TRP on the X Roads and was able to call in the 4.2" rounds quickly. These kept his head down for about 50% of his force and caused quite a few to break. He had some other guys in buildings which were in LOS of my tanks (I did not know this at the time) and he suffered badly when those buildings came down. This represented anothe 25% of his force. I advanced quickly and exploited his bad luck and managed to route his force before his reinforcements hit. When they came on I had moved my spotter into the remaining buildings and was able to wipe his infantry with more 4.2" and my piats and tanks put paid to his Stugs. I was lucky in the way he deployed that allowed me to quickly push him back and cause a total collaspe. He managed to tag one tank with the AT gun but by that stage I had infantry in his rear and they rushed the newly discovered fox hole the following turn. His HMG's were rushed (unfairly but I do know the limitations) and fell prey to my squads as they tried to flee. His failing was deploying in fox holes around the X Road and my shelling of that area. That started the rot and I quickly exploited it. So for me TRP's rock and dropping a few buildings allowed me to gain the upper hand. H

Warning Spoilers Below....... Hmmm, I would say the game is fairly balanced and it all depends on the use of the TRP's. Wolfie got rushed on this one and I managed to keep the pressure up. If the Germans can get there extra men on without hinderance then that can swing it their way. Lucky for me I had my me in the right spot to plug his two Stugs as soon as they showed themselves. I would be interested to know how and why the Germans did well as I think it is slightly harder to defend well in this one? Did the German players split their squads? H

I am in for the finals come what may, As for this new game people keep talking about I have not seen it yet so will keep my eyes open. Is it any good? Surely it can not be better than CMBO? H

TB, FWIIW I thought HftH really favoured the Allied Player and I await all the results to be announced to see if that was the case. Tero on the other hand might think differently. As always the games do not always come out the way you think because players play so differently. H

Hi Final turn sent to KR... Seems like it might be good news? H [ September 17, 2002, 04:49 PM: Message edited by: Holien ]

I would actually agree with most of those and the "French" should be higher up the list. But then that would be me teasing and following the English stero type... H

Hi, Turn sent and sorry for the delay. Went up the Brecon beacons on a reccie for an event we are running in Nov. Fantastic place and plenty of good walks. Anyway, turn sent... H

KR / TB file sent out just now... Off line til Sunday night as I am off walking in the Brecon Beacons. Have a great weekend hunking beds around KR and watch your back... H

Hi TB / KR new file sent about 30 minutes ago. When I get hold of the allied Pwd I shall look at the game. That or copy me in on the file you send to TB so I can see it from his Point Of View. As for MMG's the CMBB game will make the new tourney a totally different affair. I did some MMG rushes in my games and this will not be possible (well as easily) in CMBB. I know in FotM my MMG's would have done better if we had been using CMBB. Mind you they did not do too bad as it was H

JK I would take the cookie as the beer might be too strong. As for the snide shots at ladder players. Sod off.... Each to their own you two grogs!!! At least we know how to play the game properly!!! P.S. I have not forgotten my promise to that demon worshipper of a set up. I will see to it by the end of the year!! Honest P.P.S JK please do not take the insults too seriously, we are mere Brits (and one who has spent far too long here, I wonder when his work permit runs out?) P.P.P.S My excuse is that I have not yet had a beer and I should be doing Jim's game...

KR a new turn has just been sent. I hope it goes well... H

Just woken... File on way to you KR. H

Ahhh hahh Empathy.... Nice one.... H

Say hello to the chaps... And have a beer for me.. I will be at home by a warm fire drinking... As it is cold up North... H

TB / KR nothing seen in my e-mail so I assume all is OK. Will check again when I wake up.. Night H

TB / KR no turn this morning? Nothing at home, will check work when I get in. H

TB / KR just got up and turn sent... H

TB, I have sent all the AAR's so that should be me done. KR I have seen no more turns and it is nearly bed time here. Any after tonight I should pick up from work and forward on. Cheers H

Ohhh my head.... Two cups of coffee later, a couple of magic white pills and plenty of juice and I am still feeling rough. I guess it was a dodgy curry... Anyway glad you got the file and will keep a look out today for anymore. I have to do more DIY and those AAR's, and my Tax return, but perhaps first a little snooze would be in order. :cool: H

Big Apologise... I was away yesterday working on my other house and did not get back till late and then had friends over for a curry at the local Indian. I have just woken up and have a headache after too many beers and too much work on Saturday. Very sorry and I have just sent the file. H Now off to have a fullcooked breakfast to soak up the alchol...

Hi, I have just checked my home e-mail and nothing there. Just checked works e-mail... Nothing there. I guess he might be asleep. As soon as I get it I will send it on... NP about helping... I have not had time to sneak a peek but might hack into it at the weekend. H

TB / KR file sent from TB this morning. Let me know if you did not get it KR as I can resend from work to a different address if need be. Cheers H

To add to what TSword mentioned. With engine fires with certain tanks the crew might stay in the vehicle longer and try and deal with the fire!!! So perhaps the model should be changed to keep the crews with the tank longer? H

Everything is relative... A PF might only get a partial penertration and not get full effect. Maybe just a small spurt which might burn someone but not kill them. For example a burnt arm. It might go something like this... Radio Man :- Ochhhh!!!! T/C :- Whats wrong??? Radio Man :- Ochhhh!!! (Which is repeated over and over until he becomes capable of a decent response). T/C :- Whats wrong??? (He does not look down as he has a full scale tank fight on his hands). Driver :- Whats wrong??? (He does not look over as he is too busy driving and trying to avoid a second hit). Loader :- Whats wrong??? (He does not look down as he is too busy firing / loading the gun). So this continues until they get another hit (PF or not) which they realise is serious, as per previous post. E.G. "Hans what dis tat smell" after some time investigating and checking underwear they realise that it is not underwear and a burning smell... Then they bail.... Come on chaps anything can penetrate and not always cause the crew to bail. CM 1 (as us Europeans call it) was too predictable. CM 2 (as us Europeans call it) is not and it is a leap forward... H P.s. I feel I need to apologise for attempting to make fun at national sterotypes...