Holien

Hi I will act as a bouncing point for KR if you need it TB / KR? TB/KR if you require it e-mail me at my works address which you both have. H

This new feature is fantastic and has taken the game into a new league. Long live the death clock!! As to the arguments about staying with a tank or getting out it is all down to the vehicle, Crew training and common sense. Lets look at the Russian front early period. The German tankers have had some fantastic successes in Europe against the French and Brits. The guys are on the crest of the wave and believe that they are invincible. They have a strong belief in their tanks and the ability to protect them. Sure the first time a tank gets penetrated they might be a tad upset (if they noticed it.) However, after the first battle where a tank gets penetrated the crews would spend a lot of time out of battle talking about what is best to do. Once seeing how a penetration did little and the known dangers of getting out of their highly visible target and the effect of MMG's and rifles the common sense approach is that it is best to stay in the metal box. This would have continued to be the case until they ran into something that made bigger holes. Now we are onto a different set of rules. Later during the war a bigger hole would invariably mean (well a greater chance of) more damage and I hope this is modelled in the game. In this case the crew would take a view depending on the damage done. It might run something like this. 1. Were we hit? Do we notice where and the damage? 2. Yep it has done X? X = Engine on fire = Bail as soon as you realise this is the case. (this might take some time to notice!) X = Ammo hit tank exploding, or will shortly! Bail, as soon as realise this is the case. X = Crew member(s) hurt. = Assess if you can fight on / retreat from the situation. If not then maybe bail. E.g. Driver hit and you feel they have the range on you. In all cases where the crew decides to bail it will take some time to gather their wits and choose their moment to get out. This will be variable for each crew. You will only bail if you really have to as you know that MMG's and rifle fire will kill you quicker than being hit by a single AP round. Remember their are many more small bullets on the outside than the single big one which might or might not hit the tank, or penetrate, or if it does actually hurt you. Now as mentioned some crews get the idea that their tank does not give the required protection. The Sherman is an example of this. This gets around through talk (after battles etc..) and people seeing the effects of a hit. This negates the views above because now it is better to be outside. It becomes wisdom to be on the outside. As mentioned previously German tankers and Russian tankers never really felt bad about their vehicles. This means that you will stay with your vehicle longer than say a Sherman crew. The way this has been implemented in the game is IMO is GREAT. It caters for the various real life happenings and removes the certainty from the battlefield. It makes tanks harder to deal with and is one improvement that just absolutely rocks!!! I can not believe that people are saying it is un-realistic. If you put yourself (try anyway) into the feet of the people with the cultural views and training of the period, I think you would try and stay with the box as long as possible. If it moves it is safer to reverse out of the situation... Just my view on the debate so far.... H [ September 05, 2002, 07:19 AM: Message edited by: Holien ]

Thxs for the response TB, As for the Cpl it is a close race and by my reckoning too close to call between us. No matter what the outcome is, you played very well as did all the others in our group. Between us we have some of the highest scores in all the games played. There was only one other group in our section where certain people stand out and it proves interesting reading the results so far. Hurry up chaps and finish your games so you too can have a sneak at the results so far. H

Moan moan moan moan.... Now off to some other board where people moan... H P.s. Please switch off the lights when you have finished moaning..

Ahhh hahhh it is all falling into place, you eat too many carrots... Hence you can see in the day!!! Yes I see that while you have done well, you have not always done well. Hmmm This is a tough one to call. Are the scores just relevant to your section of players? Or are the scores across all the sections relevant? I do hope it is the latter and I shall try and find out in a previous thread... Now I must play some CMBB as I have only done the training game and I have had the demo since Sunday but been too busy to really deleve into it... H

Hmmmm, I guess these results make interesting reading... Thxs for sending the results so far... I see I got my ass wooppped on a certain game and not many followed, ohhhh bugger... A certain individual has a lot to answer for... Damn Nocturnal birds!!! H

An angel in fish clothes.... You are such a sweetie... H

Lol, you guys picking on moi!!! If I beat them do I get to be called a Tit an... KF your just jealous cause you failed to get to play in this last tourney. I don't want you pulling the same excuse for the next one... Anyway I just had fun with that Cpl on Friday morning showing him how hard the game really was. He has been demoted from Sgt Lucky Bstrd back to Cpl Redtop as he failed to make the grade. It will be interesting to see the scores on that wonderful game as I have some views on it. Catch ya all later and hurry up the other players in our group. P.s. I have written the AAR's and sent them to my opponents and just have to tart them up before sending them in for your pleasure. I should have them out next weekend, DIY allowing. Cheers H

Good idea TB and I would back you on finishing the games off if there was not many turns left. Usually at that stage the die is cast and there is not a lot to be done with the game anyway. As for the Sgt he was a pain in the bum and should be banned from any future ROW's as he might actually win one... H

Thxs for the update in person TB, That KF was just not as good as you, ya know... h

Would some one settle this debate as I am a doubter and think people are seeing things they want to believe in. After hearing about people who test it I am in their camp unless others can say / prove otherwise. Until then I am keeping my combat bonuses for my infantry and the Zookas and AT guns can fend for themselves. H

JK, A great site.... Thanks for the heads up, those maps are good..... H

The main link did not work for me as well. However the Turan did and WOWWWWOOWW... Nice Turan.... H

KF you can hardly exclude the whole CM community!!! Fish on boy Fish on.... Now do some work and give us a meaningful update on the current tourney..... H

Three Cheers for the Team... Hip Hip Horaaahhh!! Counting the days to January... H

Hi Redwolf, I do not believe that Combat Bonus increases chance to hit with mortars. Have you any evidence for this? I have none to disprove the statement but I have seen none to prove it either... H

Hmmm, Next time you are in combat when using the targetting tool for Inf with a leader with a combat bonus, do some checking.. I think you will see a difference. If you put a plus two Combat bonus with an SMG platoon you will certainly be pleased with what the targeting tool will show. Add vet or crack troops and it gets even better. H

Hi, It has been pointed out to me in another thread that AT guns do not benefit from Combat Bonus. The only units that do are Infantry on Infantry fights. I used to attach HQ's with Combat bonus to AT guns and will never do so again as it is a waste. H

I know TB can read this if not post and while the e-mail is at home I seem to remember darling fisherman is looking after the thread. Any chance of posting if any scenarios have been completed in totality? Where we are in games left to report by section? You know the normal stuff to feed the fish swiming here... H

Ahhh so Finland is still using the barter system. It is nice to see Germany responding to their poorer neighbours by accepting Fish as payment for software. Very Green and Eco Friendly. I see the Finns get special treatment... H

With this manuever in woods one has to be careful not to run into more forces than you expect, as you can lose a whole platoon this way... H

Sgt I just seen your e-mail comment and I think you are very very wrong. We can obviously not discuss this but all will come out in the wash and we shall see... H Night

Hi Sgt, Wolfie... I am off to bed... As for your luck Wolfie it was more my bad judgement and luck. Anyway that is finished and you might or might not be in with a chance. It will be interesting to see your AAR's I am waiting on all of you (White4, Tero, Sgt, Wolfie and Roberto) to send me them. Come on chaps I did one I hope you are not going to miss out on 4%? Well I am off, I hope you got my e-mail Sgt? Night all.... H

Final AAR written and sent to the Sgt to see what he thinks. How is our section getting on? Any chance of any games being all completed? How about a sound off chaps on where you are? H

Hi, I can not find the place to pre-order? Is there one in English? What am I doing wrong? H