Grognerd_Fogman

You could also pick out a 5000pt QB to get a large map but then have both parties agree to only spend...mmm...lets say 2000pts... ------------------ Thanks for Athskin!

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Lol Jeff, it's kinda fun to see the guys riding the wave, Surfs Up!... ------------------ Thanks for Athskin!

Thanks much Gregory...

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by KMHPaladin: GrogFrog - you said that many engine-room crews were forced to wear OBAs because of a lack of radiation shielding. I'm no expert on radiation, but would that really help? Yes, it might prevent inhalation of radioactive particles that might wreak havoc in the lungs, but that's nothing compared to the damage that would be caused by the gamma rays hitting the sailors. What was the line from The Hunt for Red October - "Simply ventilating won't help; we've got to get the men off!" Sounds about right to me... Like I said, I'm no physicist, but I don't think breathing bottled air would really do a darned thing for those sailors. Input is welcome... <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Yes it's the inhalation of (IIRC) Alfa an Beta radiation particles that they were protecting against. Gamma would of course laugh at such protection and that is probably why the men had so many health related problems after serving on those class of subs. From a former Thermo-Luminescence-Device Wearer (TLD)...

Fionn, I kinda thought of the candle thing after the fact. In retrospect a ribbon would be cool. An also I don't go by everything the reporters say but it's just that the Soviets in the past have not (IMO) held the safety and well being of there sailors in high regard. Like very poor reactor shielding on the Type I (HEN) nuclear class subs where significant amounts of radiation (poor shielding) caused the wearing of Oxygen Breathing Apparatus for the engineering types on a daily basis. These sailors had many health related complications afterwards. The poor damage control equipment/systems and training of such. Non payment of military pay etc etc... There motto has always been one of "quantity over quality". An since I have been in ASW for around 18 years previous, both in the military (submarine sonarman) and civilian (acoustic research ships), I have extensive knowledge of our ASW capabilities and intel sources. So with all that coupled together and the Soviets past behaviors, I feel that what they said on CNN is probably closer to the truth than we'll ever get out of the Russian government. Politics or no politics. I hope that my suspicions are not confirmed but I have snuffed my candle an tied the knot...

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kverdon: From what I've read, The reactors have to be shut down give the attitude of the sub <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> That's most likely correct. Also I had stated earlier that the reactor may have been shut down automatically. One of the automatic reactor safeguards we had on both of the subs I was on, was that the reactor would shut down if the ship listed more than approx 40 - 45 degrees. There are of course many other situations which would cause an auto-shutdown (I.E scram).

Absolutely unbelievabe!, CNN is just stating that Intelligence sources are now saying that the sub was heard (submarine sonar systems presumably IMO) to have 2 separate explosions and that no knocking on the hull was heard after the incident. That the crew probably perished during this time. They say that the Russian government was too hopeful? This is appalling if true. How could you not at least tell the truth to the people, irregardless of politics. Now I'm bummed...

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DrD: I'm confused about one thing -- I thought those subs had enough oxygen for months. Was the system damaged? Were they carrying less because it was a limited deployment? Also, the Russians are saying that the reactor is turned off. How could they go to sea without it? I imagine the auxilary diesel is insuficient for all but emergency use. I'm afraid there are going to be many survivors, if any. I read in today's paper that the rescue craft can only hold 20 men so even if they hook up they would have to do it 5 more times to get everyone off.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> There must have been something catastrophic that happened to cause them to secure the nuclear reactor. It could have also been shut down automatically and unable to be restarted. There are many safeguards in place which would do this to prevent nuclear mishaps. Without the reactor the only available power onboard would be the ships battery. This battery would only be able to provide very limited functioning of the subs minor systems (backup lights, emergency communications systems etc...) before needing a recharge after several hours of use. This battery can only be recharged from the normal power system (reactor running supplying the ships generators) or by the auxiliary diesel. The ships auxiliary diesel cannot be utilized in this case since the subs depth is too great. It can only be used at snorkel depth (periscope depth) as the diesel needs air to run. Under normal conditions a submarine makes breathable air by using electrically powered oxygen generators. The process is such: The ship pulls in seawater using pumps then cleans it by various processes thereby turning it into fresh water. This fresh water is now transferred to the oxygen generators which use a very volatile process (electrolysis) which strips the hydrogen from the water, thus leaving only the oxygen. This now pure oxygen is sent to air banks and stored for various ships uses. The remaining crew are now (if still alive) are breathing on air bank supplies with nothing being replenished. Another problem with the air is the way that it needs to be cleaned otherwise they'll get carbon dioxide/monoxide poisioning. Normally there are machines running (normal power) that help remove most of the "bad air" but they are not running now. They should have some type of backup for this which usually come in the form of chemical type kits which would provide a little help in emergency situations and would run out in little time. An these are only some of the problems they may be facing. Severe cold (no heaters) and the ship could be slowly flooding without any way of securing it. Hope this helps a little... [This message has been edited by Grognerd_Fogman (edited 08-16-2000).]

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Fionn: Priest, Why would your girlfriend walk into the room with "the computer in a nightie". Is this some kinky sort of thing you do?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> Lol, I was wondering if there was anyone else out there who dressed up his puter in a Fredericks of Hollywood nightie. Me an my last girlie-friend split up over that one... ------------------ Thanks for Athskin!

An you are right Fionn, the primary reason the Oscar class was brought into being was to counter US carrier groups. It may have not been carrying any nukes on board at this time due to the fact it was an exercise but I sincerely believe that in normal ops it would carry mostly conventional weaponry along with a small percentage of tactical guided nuclear missiles. The candle is still lit... [This message has been edited by Grognerd_Fogman (edited 08-16-2000).]

As a former US submariner, I just wanted to express my heart-felt prayers for the crew of the downed Russian sub "Kursk". I cannot imagine a more terrifying experience aboard a submarine than what they must be feeling (or felt) during this ordeal. No power, freezing temps, little oxygen, possibly no back-up lights and the realization that others have most likely perished. Either in the initial explosion or complications after. I feel a certain kinship to these sailors and am sincerely hoping that some can be rescued. Am lighting a candle at this time for prayer. Please hold on Comrades...

For all those that missed/or will miss some of the weekly episodes I checked at the Historychannel.com site an they'll be airing all four episodes in a row this Sunday August 20th from 3PM - 7PM (EST). Get ur recorders ready cuz I'm gonna... ------------------ Thanks for Athskin!

To even it out a bit maybe you could allocate more points and experience to the "unogo" player... ------------------ Thanks for Athskin!

Lol Iron, I had the same thing happen to me. The squad threw up it's arms an surrendered an my left flank tank said "bite me" ... ------------------ Thanks for Athskin!

This just happened to me recently. Me an my opponent basically went the full distance of the QB (Meeting Engagement) an obliterated eachother. But on the 29th turn (outta 30) I managed to whack his remaining tank standing at the only victory objective an claim it for myself. After the turn it was over (automatic) and the AAR said the enemy had surrendered to me (crewman left) but it gave us a draw. Now this wasn't a ladder match or nothing but would you consider it to be a victory? Even if it was for the ladder? I mean I still had a few men on the board an the victory location secured (half squad an full plt HQ) with his surrender an all. Jus curious on your thoughts... ------------------ Thanks for Athskin!

Yup, if ya look closely at the unit command menu, all of the commands have a letter associated with it. Now get back to kill'n boy! ------------------ Thanks for Athskin!

I got cable an as it's great! Welcome (almost) to the club... Sha-Wing!! ------------------ Thanks for Athskin!

Is one of the "prancing" levels include an option to put infantry hull-down?... ------------------ Thanks for Athskin!

But I'm not dead...(Whack!!!) ------------------ Thanks for Athskin!

Hmmmm, now this changes my opening strategy a bit. Think I'll see if I can get 2 or 3 AFV's disabled on purpose in the first coupla turns so I can get the crews...yes, yes, I see it all now....CHARGE!.. ------------------ Thanks for Athskin!

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Jarhead: Ok, I think we need a planned group trip to Germany. Set a date, get a list of people going, and buy a new drinking stine. We might even get some decent group rates. <HR></BLOCKQUOTE> I hear there are some cheap group Concord tickets right about now. ------------------ Thanks for Athskin!

In regards to too much info. A game I was in recently, I could make out a light tank but what type yet when I looked at its stats, it showed the gun, armor thickness...well bout everything but the name.... ------------------ Thanks for Athskin!

Hmmmm, pretty curious there....I would think you have captured Whittman an forced him into that cramped Stuart...lol ------------------ Thanks for Athskin!

<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Beau: ive played the demo non stop, i have ordered the game, i cant wait till it comes. any one suggest the best missions to play. How does the Churchill and the Cromwell shape up in combat?<HR></BLOCKQUOTE> They sure been kicking my snapper in PBEM... ------------------ Thanks for Athskin!