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Now I wish that there would be a "whitdraw" order for panicked or routed troops. Those guys usually just get shot like sitting ducks as they are not moving anymore - except being shot at but then they run for about 30 meters and wait there to get massacred again... Wouldn't it be good to have "whitdraw" command only vor panicked and routed troops that it is possible to retreat them way to the rear to safe place to keep them alive? Instead of just running around the battlefied like chickens and getting shot up?

Looking good now; readying myself for download... Marcus ****

I really do like the Winter Marder; However the white color on the trret number, German cross and killrings seems to be to "pure and bright" to me on all vehicles. They stand out too much in my opinion. Otherwise good work! Marcus ****

All versions will be released; - the green/flesh for your green tankers - the purple heart for your veterans - and this last one for your psychos: This is a cammo pattern as seen on a "rare pic of original cammo pattern of a JPzIV just after WWII" taken at the Aberdeen Proving Grounds; however after discussing these picture series on this forum it seems that it most probably was a creation of the staff there. It will be realeased anyway since it has been finished just before BB came out. There will be options with numbers for the first two mods for sure, foliage or no-foliage for the third one. All the best Marcus ****

I've heard that it isn't too difficult to CMMOS it, but it's simple: I don't LIKE to do it. As said my friend Chris ("Panzeranklopfgerät") is doing it instead. Gave me time to make a green bicolor as well for example...

Somfink like this?

No, I won't. But "Panzeranklopfgerät" will do it for me

Almost done:

Where is my turn? Better send it or I will get one of those finnish conscripts to throw Molotov cocktails from Basel to Mannheim. It is said that the arty conscripts were able to throw even that far.

Try 6 SU85 against 6 Hetzers. Separate each pair by lines of woods that no pair has LOS to the others. Run the test again...

Well, it wouldn't be *personal use* really, no? I mean it would be for the benefit of a whole community...

It's an abstraction in the CM engine. Gun/MG or track hits never penetrate any further, so they don't cause any other damage to the vehicle except maybe a gun damage/immobilization. Dschugaschwili </font>

Of course if gun hits do happen they do happen too often - if your tank is hit... I think they don't happen too often regarding shootouts on the CM firing range - around 2% if I remember correctly and not all of those were damaging the gun. But then what if you hit a MG carrier with your Stug IIIG main gun and you get a "MG hit" and the thingy is still alive afterwards?!??!!!

Does Ryan Air fly in from the US? If yes we might consider collecting the airfare - if you shoulder ALL the drinks

Damn, didn't pay attention to what really looks like pinted stripes on the tracks! Those Germans, even on a late war rush job they had time to paint the tracks... Thanks for the link, had it already, but I was intentionally looking for something different than the usual tri or ambush cammo. Makjager helped a lot - thanks again! Marcus ****

Already hopped to the other forum...at Warpspeed...

It is taken in account as mentioned in a thread called "T-34/85 owns the Hetzer" or so.

Didn't find anything in my hotmail even not in the junkmail folder. Whatever it was, you can resend it to tools4fools@intergga.ch

Thanks for the title of the book. Would you recommend buying it? There is no serial number on the pic of the Lynx but it has damage on the middle storage box (one roughly trinagle shaped hole, one small round hole). The Lynx has TWO crosses on the side hull as well, one on the center, one on the last storage box. Guess that red primer on the Jagdpanther is RAL 8012 anti rust paint - looks real ugly in my opinion. Maybe the Red Baron would have liked it. MikeyD sure got a point - or was it a real coincidence that when they parked the tank there it just got to stop the same way as when it was painted on the other side of the Atlantic? Don't think so. Guess have to look for a differnet camo pattern. Thanks for the help and suggestions! Marcus ****

Now this starts getting results. First, thanks Måkjager - and what is title and author of that book you got there? Is it still in print? In the book I have there is a series of those Aberdeen pictures. There is this PzIV, a Lynx, a Grille, a Hetzer, a Hummel, A Jagdpanther, an Elephant, a Sturmtiger, A Jagdtiger and two JPzIV. All pics are faded the same way as the one of the Pz IV and all are supposedly taken shortly afer WW II displaying original camo. Now about the pics itself: - Sturmtiger and Jagdtiger display "ambush" pattern. - Elefant looks so messy that no pattern is visible really anymore. - Jagdpanther got strong redbrown stripes with dunkelgelb and some green stripes - Hummel is plain dunkelgelb - Hetzer got Tri-camo. - Grille got some kind of Tri-camo as well - First JPz and Lynx got those dark crosshatch lines. In fact the JPz is the one seen on the left edge of the pic I think. Interesting is here that the wheels and tracks of the Lynx are already overgrown by small plants, the JPz IV's gun barrel is broken and both vehicles were scrapped during the Korean War. - Other JPz is dunkelgelb with Brown stripes, bi-color camo. It is mentione that this JPz was later repainted with little regard to historical accuracy and reamins untill today at the museum. Most of the cam pattern seem to be realistic to me. Questions are about those crosshatch lines, but I have seen them in drawings of a Kingtiger as well (wasn't that the original BO KT as well?) and maybe this camo pattern was not that uncommon? Which leaves the Pz IV which doesn't fit even into that category really. The black stirpes could be very dark green RAL 6003. I think in Panzercolors they mention that depending on what was used as thinner and how much it was thinned it could be anything from a very pale green to a very dark green. Spots are new dunkelgelb overspray. Brown is RAL 8017 as you mentioned. White and Light gray stripes are in my opinion the same color. I think the difference occurs because of: - light and shadow on the tank (look at the suspension; the upper part of the stripes in the shadow looks very much like the gray stripes on the turret, the lower part not in the shadow like the turret's white stripes. -Old and faded film; don't know what effect this has on the contrast and how well film at those days could capture contrast. If being original camo it then could be a light gray (maybe Luftwaffe color used?), a dunkelgelb variant (I have seen dunkelgelb variants which looked kind of pale green) or...? As for being repaints: Why repaint the JPz IV with a broken gun barrel and not the intact one? The fence in the back and the road there is a river as well. Thinking that this JPz IV and this PzIV are on display and therefore repainted - but then the Hummel and the other JPz are there too (side by side) and are not in such good condition. Contrary the Hetzer with its neatly applied new looking tri-color camo sits in the middle of "junkjard" as do the other tanks (Elefant, Jagdpanther, etc)...makes all no sense to me. What do you think? Marcus ****

Those pinkies are easy to get rid off. More difficult to get rid off are the Germans my PBEM opponent is sending inno battle - in pink ballerina dresses as he said... And one of his pink Panthers just had one of my little T-70's as appetizer... But that's way off topic. Still looking for ideas on the bright color. No experts around?

Gray? Possible, maybe color from the Luftwaffe was used as it looks too bright for the early war dark gray.

Maybe the use 20mm guns instead?

And he doesn't need a magnifying glass to look at tiny pictures...

A few more adjustements and some more detail work and my "dunkelgelb" Pz IV will be done. Afterwards it is supposed to get a camo pattern taken from this picture of a PzIVG at the Aberdeen Proving Ground in its original wartime colors. Since the colors are faded my question is: -there are "dunkelgelb" oversprayed dots -there are wide brown stripes -there are thin dark stripes, dark green I guess but then what are the light, greyish stripes??? A light pale green? Or that kind of "cream cheese" color seen on some Hetzers? Any help and suggestion much appreciated! The mod that will get the camo looks like this so far: