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Afternoon gents! Quick heads up for any naval buffs. I've only taken a quick look at the demo but it seems like a rather decent attempt at a serious, 3D realtime simulation from the chap (Norm Keoger(sp)) that made TOAW all those years ago, it was released over Christmas. It's fantastic to see Battlefront aren't alone in the wargame market. [url removed] Any WW1 naval grogs out there?

Greetings gents! Old, jaded, grizzled, pop bellied CM vet from the good old days looking for a serious, mature opponent! Custom maps with (sensible) human pick forces are in my experience, the best reciepe for fun/suspense of disbelief and fairness. After all these years this amazing game never seems to get tired. Drop me a line...... Anton.

Sorry OB, I don't have a problem with that. Steve and Co are trying to run a business after all. I just hope we don't have to wait too long for all the bits of the jigsaw!

Find a play tester or two sir!

Damnit aren't you buffoons supposed to be confined to a single thread?

Mr D, I don't know enough about the American military-industral complex to have an informed opinion on the financial considerations behind these vehicles, but obviously no single weapon system or piece of equipment is going to win a war or insurgency. However there's arguably a market for specialised vehicles, taliored to the specific threats of insurgency/stability/peackeeping type operations. It's big - so what, visibility must be great! Profile size is hardly important, it won't be laying ambushes or hiding from hostile air. It's clumsy/boxy looking, and? It's not likely to face high velocity rounds. Why should the aesthetics matter anyway? Are you a modeller? RE Enlightenment/human progress. Isn't it mainly about embracing change? Something we all find particularly difficult to do. Regarding your rather odd casualty argument, even if we leave the ethics aside and just think purely about money, even if the US had the stomach for significant casualties, what is the economic cost? For every young man killed how many will never be in full time employment again? As far as I know the US military actually take pretty good care of their wounded, how much would all the pensions, long term care and the double hit of the resultant loss of taxpayers cost?

Big Duke, Neither your sermon, or the nature of insurgency is new. Just like any other human endeavour, we strive to do things better. Sure "the wonks" aren't always going to get it right but is that reason enough to stop trying? To argue that we should just accept "the way things are" is ridiculously blinkered, and simply throwing boots at insurgencies is no guarantee for success! Thank god everybody doesn't subscribe to your cock eyed ideology - we'd still be living in the stone age!

He wasn't just talking about vehicles - he meant all the different weapon systems - from a bayonet to a B17. IIRC He argues the significant factor in land operations was men, and how they were organised/trained, supplied and led.

Blair's Labour = Socialism?!?!? Go back to your alternate dimension!

So you'd put more faith in The Times or The Telegraph?!?!?! Pull your head out of the sand man. Hell you're probably a Daily Mail reader.

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Dave/Wiggum, I recall BFC and others have stated more than once that the realities and time scales of CQB have to be bastardised for the purposes of a game. This is an argument that dates back to CM1. How fun would a platoon level fight be if it lasted 6 hours and consisted mostly of slowly and deliberately blasting building after building, with a little rest, reorganisation and resupply in between? And as the Syrians just imagine spending 6 hours trying to inflict 5 or so casualties!!

Although the Eastern Front and CMBB is where it's at, it's gotta be CMAK for the tweaks!

Out of utterly idle curiosity I wonder if any of the BFC team smoke.

I always thought that guy was Dorosh posting from his local library. </font>

Er utterly flawed, CM is not Tacops. Example, I have ordered a squad to make a dash across a street. I know there is a MG 200 metres distant that has LOS on the road. I do not want this squad to cancel my order, lie in the road and open fire on a well protected MG 200 metres distant! Hell I don't even want them to waste ammo in wild return fire as they make their dash. I want them across the road as quickly as possible into that cosy looking house! Yes this situation arose in a recent game and I'm happy to say they did just that, even if it did cost them a man!

Not sure about that. I'm playing the medium sized scenarios (with settings one lower than the max) with AA/AS in 1280x960 with an 8800 GTX and getting 30-40 fps.

RT. Still can't quite believe it.

Totally OT but is it any good?

A gal playing a wargame!?!? Jesus, feeling faint. I (and most Europeans I suspect) have no interest in a USMC module which just adds LAVs etc, however I will be buying it for the extra Syrian goodies/scenarios etc!

I don't see how; you'll have to explain that one to me. I haven't seen Iraq mentioned in any advertising; in fact, my understanding is that the advertising has been explicitly careful NOT to make comparisons to Iraq. Iraq's conventional war was over years ago. CM:SF represents conventional conflict, not counter-insurgency. If YOU don't see the difference, then perhaps we really are through here. </font>

You know what he means Speedy old boy! War is bad enough without having to wrestle with moral ambiguities. </font>

You know what he means Speedy old boy! War is bad enough without having to wrestle with moral ambiguities.

Hmmmm......

BF survey. Yes, it could have been thought out a little better!