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Can't answer. I don't think anyone has a chinese o/s. Rune

The only other thing you can do http://www.ngohq.com Download their modified drivers and see if you run better with their drivers. Due to the fact the older drivers work better, it proves there is an issue with the drivers. The problem about fixing something to a broken driver, it that they may fix the driver, and then it breaks the game again. As others have said, bigger companies can throw money at nvidia [or vice versa if nvidia thinks the game will help sell their cards] and get a a fixed driver for their game. Obviously we can't do that. Kieme, let me know if you try the ngo drivers and what they do for you. Rune

Guys, at least the ones that expect miracles, I want you to call ATI right now, their tech support, and see who is working on a weekend. Tell them you have a problem with a game, and you will give them under 48 hours to recode their driver. Listen to their response, [well will have to wait till Monday, they don't work weekends, but you don't care, then think about it when you say it is CMSF. Here is a list of KNOWN bugs in the catalyst 7.7 drivers: Known Issues Under the Windows Vista Operating System This section provides information on known issues associated with the ATI Catalyst™. These include: The default audio device may be set to ATI HD Audio after installation of the display driver for the ATI Radeon™ HD2900, HD2600, and HD2400. This issue may also be experienced under the Windows XP operating system. Further details can be found in topic number 737-28483 3DMark06: An error message may be displayed when running the application for an extended period of time (6-8 hours or more). Further details can be found in topic number 737-28494 City of Heroes: Attempting to play the game on a system with a dual link panel connected to it may result in the Windows Vista operating system failing to respond. Further details can be found in topic number 737-28495 Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter: Pressing the Alt+Tab keys when playing the game may result in the Windows Vista operating system failing to respond. Further details can be found in topic number 737-28491 Lost Planet: Setting AA to either 4x or 8x may result in the game failing to respond. Further details can be found in topic number 737-28492 Resuming from an S3 state may result in a longer than expected time for the Windows Vista operating system to resume. Further details can be found in topic number 737-25798 Hot-plugging a CRT to a system running Windows Vista and containing an ATI Radeon™ X1100/1150 series of product may result in extended desktop mode failing to be applied. Further details can be found in topic number 737-25801. This issue is resolved in Catalyst™ 7.8 Enabling CrossFire™ followed by disconnecting and then reconnecting the CRT display device may result in duplicate video options being seen within the Catalyst™ Control Center. Further details can be found in topic number 737-27457. This issue is resolved in Catalyst™ 7.8 Catalyst™ Control Center->OverDrive™: The OverDrive™ setting are not retained for individual accounts. This issue may also be experienced under the Windows Vista operating system. Further details can be found in topic number 737-25805 Enabling CrossFire™ followed by setting AA to 14x and AF to 16x may result in the AA showing a setting of 0x level when disabling CrossFire™ and unchecking the AA option in the 3D aspect. Further details can be found in topic number 737-27458. This issue is resolved in Catalyst™ 7.8 Making changes to the Color aspect found in the Catalyst™ Control Center without applying the changes may result in the Reactivate ATI color controls button remaining active after the Catalyst™ Control Center is closed and then re-launched. Further details can be found in topic number 737-27459. This issue is resolved in Catalyst™ 7.8 The Record function currently fails to work when using an ATI All-In-Wonder X1300 and time shifting is enabled. Further information can be found in topic number 737-22014 A blank screen may be displayed after unchecking all the Component Video formats except when the 480i30 custom mode is applied. Further details can be found in topic number 737-27620 Enabling CrossFire™ followed by setting the OverDrive™ clocks to their maximum settings may result in the Catalyst™ Control Center failing to accurately report the requested OverDrive™ values. Further details can be found in topic number 737-27621. This issue is resolved in Catalyst™ 7.8 A green or black screen may be displayed when configuring MCE to ATSC mode. Further details can be found in topic number 737-27622 Setting the Avivo Video De-interlacing setting to auto, motion adaptive or vector adaptive may result in certain DVDs, menu videos and some special features failing to benefit from the options. Further details can be found in topic number 737-27196 The Enable ATI OverDrive™ clocks for 3d applications may be available on non supported products such as the ATI Radeon™ HD 2600 series of product. This issue may also be experienced under the Windows XP operating system. Further details can be found in topic number 737-28477 Performing an un-install of the display drivers on a CrossFire™ configured system may result in extended desktop mode becoming active resulting in all of the desktop icons failing to appear. Further details can be found in topic number 737-28478 Catalyst™ Control Center->3D->Anti-Aliasing: Unchecking the option to Use Application Setting found in the 3D aspect page when CrossFire™ is enabled may result in the maximum AA setting being 6x. This issue may also be experienced under the Windows XP operating system. Further details can be found in topic number 737-28479 Performing either a custom or express install of the display driver may result in the system failing to respond and the installation of the driver failing. This issue is known to occur when using an ATI Radeon™ X1950 CrossFire™ Edition product installed on in a system containing an Intel975 and nForce590. Further details can be found in topic number 737-28481 The 3D aspect may appear blank when launching a second instance of the Catalyst™ Control Center™. This issue may also be experienced under the Windows XP operating system. Further details can be found in topic number 737-28482 HDMI audio stutter may be heard when playing MPEG clip at certain resolutions on specific HDMI device. Further details can be found in topic number 737-28484 The color depth may change to 8bpp when enabling or disabling CrossFire™ for the first time. Further details can be found in topic number 737-28485 Connecting a TV followed by removing the display resolution of 640x480 from the mode table may result in the both the TV and LCD failing to display an image. Further details can be found in topic number 737-28490 The Catalyst™ Control Center version number may fail to be updated after the installation of a newer Catalyst™ Control Center. Further details can be found in topic number 737-28493 Dragging player window to secondary display while playing back HD content and moving it back to primary may result in blank player window. Further details can be found in topic number 737-28496 Windows Media Player: Playing a DVD in full screen mode may result in vertical bar corruption being noticed during playback. Further details can be found in topic number 737-28497 I am trying to narrow down what it is to see if a work around is possible, over MY weekend. I'll let you know if I find anything. Rune

Redwolf, I know you knwo why that is. The amount of information is much more. Rune

And if you read it again, it is because instead of the turn calculating and showing you a blue bar, it is showing you the turn being played out. Once it is done, you have the vcr controls just like you did before. So, you are saying you prefer waiting at the blue bar as it scrolls across? Rune

OK, I don't think it is going to make a difference, but turn the two opengl options on. Let me know. You guys don't have anything for opengl extensions or anything of the type? Nvidia does and is all I can compare it to. Rune

Javelins shoul not be missing that much. Syrians, depends on the missile, could be wire guided by an in-experienced crew. The level of troops definitely plays a part. Rune

Mystro, What drivers are you using? What settings in the control panel do you have? Rune

I just thought of something. The Nvidia card have their own control panel, with opengl settings. Does ATI have the same thing? What are the opengl options? Worse case, someone available in the US I can call on the phone to try a few things? It is on my dime, so I really don't want to call overseas. Rune

Yeah, I have been running with Vista 64 and Vista 32 with Nvidia for months now. ATI has always been infamous for lack of opengl drivers [good ones anyway]. Will continue to dig in on this. I sent the guys an email this morning, wehn I hear from them, I will update the status. Glad you got a partial, but not real solution. So, to play for now, use the 7.8 and don't use the wasd keys, and only group movr, don't click on a unit. THIS IS NOT THE SOLUTION, but at least it may let ya play a scenario for now instead of just looking at it. I will continue to work on this. Thanks to Beast and Mikeyan for helping me troubleshoot this. Rune

Try shift left click and drag. Rune

for me to post one or you? for you, just use the url feature here. For me? I got to get matt to do it. Rune

OK beast, let me know. Rune

OK, I need two volunteers for Vista testing. 1. One person to completely remove the vista ati driver, reboot, and use the default MS driver. 2. A guinea pig to test the beta 7.8 drivers. Do I have any takers? Rune

I am with a 7800 card no problem. Try going into the properties of the game and run as administrator. See if it helps. Also, did you get completely thru the licensing? You may have to change the DEP settings. Rune

I will continue to work on this, I have found all sorts of games ahving problems with the 7.7s and opengl. Hopefully I can come up with something if I find someone else has a work around. Will email Charles, if we are REALLY lucky maybe a work around...but if we do and they fix their drivers, it may break the game again. Will be back, doing more research. Rune

If someone is having problems with ati and xp and the game, and can test a different driver, post here and I will give you the link.

Oh and if someone is having the problem with XP and ATI, can you give those drivers a go. Rune

Sorry may have gone to the wrong one, there is a Vista one on the web site. Hang in there a sec. Nope. OK let me find a modified Vista driver. I see on their forums they are saying Vista and ATI still have problems, but hang loose. Thanks for trying tho Beast. Rune

Don't forget the hangars. Rune

Beast, I have been doing the same researching as you. If you have an older card, can you try this driver? http://www.ngohq.com/home.php?page=Files&go=cat&dwn_cat_id=9&go=giveme&dwn_id=399 If you don't, don't worry, I asked in the other thread to see if things are better. Again atioglxx.dll is their driver. Anyone have any connections at ATI where I can talk to them? Rune

I don't know I was in charge of scenarios and tested with my three rigs. 2 of which run Vista. Anyway can someone test a driver for me with the ATI card? Make sure it isn't one of the brand spanking new cards. Try this and let me know. Link removed as this is for XP only Rune [ July 29, 2007, 07:49 AM: Message edited by: rune ]

This is an OUTRIGHT LIE. I have a AMD dual core and tested is extensively with Vista, but I have an Nvidia card on both my systems. I NEVER said it was not tested in this configuration. Matter of fact in MULTIPLE threads, I state it WAS tested under Vista. Rune

James {Jaguar} is correct. Let me know if this fixes your problem Kieme. Rune

And make sure he makes the IED active. Rune