Erwin Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 What is the 66mm HE carried by platoon HQ's and what is it used for? I thought they might have been rifle grenades, but the manual says those are 22mm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 HE-Frag rifle grenade. Manual is in error, although neither dimension is actually correct. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 "Manual in error...!!!" We have sarcastic discussions about people not bothering to read the manual. I knew there was a good reason why most folks prefer to simply ask here on these forums for accurate and up to date info. Thank you... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 7 hours ago, akd said: ...neither dimension is actually correct. You neglected to mention what the correct dimension is. Shame on you! Deduct ten grog points from your score. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Never been able to find it, and don't have one handy to measure! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cobetco Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 on the subject of M1 rifle grenades 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 21 hours ago, Erwin said: ...the manual says those are 22mm. This is one of those trivial matters that grogs obsess over, so my curiosity piqued, I searched through my copy of American Arsenal to see what I could find. Dimensional information is really sparse, but what I did find was that the diameter of the fins is 2.2" which according to my math is about 56.18mm. The 2.2" suspiciously resembles the 22mm quoted in the manual, so it could just be a matter of human confusion. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 So, still not 66mm per what the HQ is supposed to be carrying?? Not that it really matters in a game. But am curious now... Any other clarification? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
General Liederkranz Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 It might be the diameter of the grenade itself, which to me looks a little larger than the fins. That would make sense if the UI is trying to give us some idea of the explosive impact the grenade will make, which is at least somewhat related to the size of the warhead. The "22mm" could refer to the base tube that fits over the barrel of the rifle, which apparently was 22mm: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/22_mm_grenade 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LukeFF Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 On 2/21/2017 at 10:44 AM, Erwin said: "Manual in error...!!!" We have sarcastic discussions about people not bothering to read the manual. I knew there was a good reason why most folks prefer to simply ask here on these forums for accurate and up to date info. Thank you... Wow, so one minor error in the manual means we should just toss it out the window now? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanir Ausf B Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 22mm is the diameter of the base tube. The explodey part is larger. How much larger I don't know and it's possible the HEAT and HE rounds were different. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Guys, I think I may have an answer, and you're not going to like it. 66 mm is the diameter of the LAW rocket. Given this, there's a possibility some oddment of data found its way into the manual from CMSF. I checked here, and the M72A7 LAW is definitely in that sim. Knowing what I know about US weaponry in small units of WW II, I instead posit the correct measurement should be 60 mm and that it's bazooka ammo with a generic description (HE instead of HEAT, which still is HE). I base this on HQs holding several bazookas which are available either for self-defense or parceling out as needed to subordinate forces. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erwin Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 1 hour ago, LukeFF said: Wow, so one minor error in the manual means we should just toss it out the window now? Course not, Luke. That would make as much sense as snippity complaints when people ask questions on these forums when instead they could spend an hour or two trying to find the answer in the manual - ignoring the fact that the manual could be wrong. So, QED it's best to ask for info on these forums as some bright spark wil know the correct answer without all the frustration. Win-win... As a CM Tester plz let us know the answer to this 66mm puzzle... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnarly Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 (edited) 22 hours ago, Cobetco said: on the subject of M1 rifle grenades thanks for the video, very educational to a WW2 noob like me! EDIT: Very very educational! Edited February 23, 2017 by gnarly 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) On February 22, 2017 at 2:48 PM, John Kettler said: I think I may have an answer, and you're not going to like it. 66 mm is the diameter of the LAW rocket. Given this, there's a possibility some oddment of data found its way into the manual from CMSF. I checked here, and the M72A7 LAW is definitely in that sim. Knowing what I know about US weaponry in small units of WW II, I instead posit the correct measurement should be 60 mm and that it's bazooka ammo with a generic description (HE instead of HEAT, which still is HE). I base this on HQs holding several bazookas which are available either for self-defense or parceling out as needed to subordinate forces. John, I fear that on this occasion your reasoning has led you astray. The image in the GUI is definitely of a HEAT rifle grenade. There was also an AP fragmentation rifle grenade that as far as I have been able to discover is based on the hand grenade. The latter is not pictured in the GUI; I assume that like with some other munitions in CM, it is simply assumed that the grenadier is able to switch to whichever type he wishes to use without any of the limitations a real-world counterpart would experience. The choice of which one to picture is a little odd, since as far as I know the fragmentation grenade was used far more often than the anti-armor version, but then it probably saves BFC from having to explain why a fragmentation grenade is achieving penetration of tank armor. Michael Edited February 24, 2017 by Michael Emrys 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
user1000 Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 (edited) There are 3 basic types of launched grenades for m1 garand. regular frag(airburst\non impact), HEAT(AT), impact fuse(frag explodes on hard surfaces). Edited February 24, 2017 by user1000 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Kettler Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 Michael Emrys, No one told me about something in the GUI, so I used what info I had. Still don't see how it's 66 mm, for the hand grenade based M17 has a listed diameter of 57 mm. Regards, John Kettler 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akd Posted February 24, 2017 Share Posted February 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Michael Emrys said: John, I fear that on this occasion your reasoning has led you astray. The image in the GUI is definitely of a HEAT rifle grenade. There was also an AP fragmentation rifle grenade that as far as I have been able to discover is based on the hand grenade. The latter is not pictured in the GUI; I assume that like with some other munitions in CM, it is simply assumed that the grenadier is able to switch to whichever type he wishes to use without any of the limitations a real-world counterpart would experience. The choice of which one to picture is a little odd, since as far as I know the fragmentation grenade was used far more often than the anti-armor version, but then it probably saves BFC from having to explain why a fragmentation grenade is achieving penetration of tank armor. Michael AT rifle grenades are shown by icon under special equipment. HE-Frag rifle grenades (or HEDP in modern) are just listed under squad ammo, like hand grenades. These are separate items (i.e. the AT rifle grenade icon can be gone, but the squad still has HE rifle grenades). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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