Lee_Vincent Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) According to this anyway (includes video): http://rt.com/news/234363-armata-tracked-armored-platform/ 125mm main gun (claimed to develop more muzzle energy than the German Leopard-2 Rheinmetall 120 mm gun), a multi-barrel APS-capable .50 MG and a 30mm cannon vs light targets and helos. May potentially be fitted with a 152mm gun. The vehicle is fully computerized and only needs two servicemen to operate it. Each can also deploy the tank’s weapon systems. The tank’s targeting is reportedly done with an active-phased array antenna and a large variety of other sensors. Apparently. If so, seems it should certainly be in CMBS. Edited February 21, 2015 by Lee_Vincent 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzersaurkrautwerfer Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Haha. Ha. When we know what it actually looks like/has on it/there's something more than CG renderings it might be worth thinking about. Emphasis on might. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlackAlpha Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 We still don't know how it will look like in reality. Concept versions often differ to the real life final versions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pablius Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 The tank’s targeting is reportedly done with an active-phased array antenna and a large variety of other sensors. That sounds rather...fragile...for a tank, if put on the outside Can you put that antenna inside a compartment surrounded by composite armor an expect it to detect anything other than...well...composite armor? Where is an electronic/radio engineer when you need one? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LUCASWILLEN05 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Certainly interesting but it probably won't be in service for many years and mybe not at all. Russian developments havebeen cancelled before (eg Black Eagle) http://nationalinterest.org/feature/the-russian-armys-secret-weapon-enter-the-armata-program-11711 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Eagle_(tank) Certinly an Armata, even a prototype seems unlikely in 2017 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kieme(ITA) Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 If those renderings are correct it's going to be the most futuristic looking tank since now. Digital camo on the renderings too! Now that's modern. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I'm amazed by Russia's confidence in the time table. With Russian economy's downturn and sanctions affecting arms tech trade, like the Mistral deal (eg. T-90's thermal imaging is by Thales, a French company), and how they haven't designed a completely new tank from ground up for decades, I would be surprised if they hit the deadline! I think they will do their best to complete the project unlike T-95 which never left prototype stage, but so far there's not much to be seen. Armata is not even just a new MBT, it's a whole family of AFVs from APCs to SPA. You can bet the General Dynamics CEO is having wet dreams of Pentagon making an order like that! It would be a nice addition to the game, for sure, but first you need to know what the vehicles actually look and behave like... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee_Vincent Posted February 21, 2015 Author Share Posted February 21, 2015 Yes of course the information is probably optimistic. "After five years of development, the Uralvagonzavod Research and Production Corporation has finalized manufacture of the first batch of Armata tanks and heavy personnel carriers. They have been included in Russia’s 2015 defense order, TASS said. Reportedly, 20 units have already been manufactured and issued to troops for hands-on training. The exact characteristics and appearance of the platform remain classified, though this might soon change as the new vehicles are on the verge of taking part in the Victory Day Parade on Red Square, May 9 this year." Their goal of 2300 units does sound like a fantasy. " Can you put that antenna inside a compartment surrounded by composite armor an expect it to detect anything other than...well...composite armor? " I don't know. It is probably a conformal array spread over the tank with overlapping FOV's, but yeah seems it would be highly vulnerable. Still, it would avoid alerting the target when it paints it with it's laser range finder. Better in all weathers too I expect? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexey K Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 There are tons of speculations in Armata design and specs. Looks like this is yet another one. Reportedly, 20 units have already been manufactured and issued to troops for hands-on training. This is interesting information 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 ...it would avoid alerting the target when it paints it with it's laser range finder. Er, well yes...sort of. On the other hand, there have been radar warning devices around since the middle of WW II. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee_Vincent Posted February 21, 2015 Author Share Posted February 21, 2015 Er, well yes...sort of. On the other hand, there have been radar warning devices around since the middle of WW II. Michael Yes but are they deployed on AFVs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Yes but are they deployed on AFVs? Can't see that it would be especially difficult to do so. Maybe adds to the clutter, but if it keeps you alive it would happen. Why would you not do it? Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee_Vincent Posted February 21, 2015 Author Share Posted February 21, 2015 Agreed sure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 "In god we trust, others have to post data" Like fellow member in AR15.com has his signature. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exsonic01 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) Let's see on May, experts says the new Russian tank will be likely to join the this year's May 9th Victory day parade. Frankly, I don't trust Russian (and Chinese) expectation or estimation on their war machines, since lots of them are bluffed based on patriotism and national pride. Even the mentions from "experts" of Russia sometimes biased. (But of course there are some credible Russian sources on their weapons) So, I will wait my decision on this tank when reliable sources expect / announce the stats for Armata. But IMO, I don't that much worry about this tank. M1A2 SEP v2 could probably have only small problems to deal with this new tank. On the other hand, for the diversity of the game, I welcome the Armata in CMBS, but only after the reliable specification of Armata is revealed. Edited February 21, 2015 by exsonic01 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexey K Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 But IMO, I don't that much worry about this tank. M1A2 SEP v2 could probably have only small problems to deal with this new tank. Wow, you've already performed rigorous analysis on that matter 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Let's see on May, experts says the new Russian tank will be likely to join the this year's May 9th Victory day parade. I won't hold my breath either. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exsonic01 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 (edited) Wow, you've already performed rigorous analysis on that matter I can guarantee that I'm better than some Russian fanboys, who are living in the dream world like "m829a4 cannot penetrate t90am since t90am have 800mm+ KE defense without ERA" , or "T90am's shells can penetrate M1A2 front armor at any circumstances". "M1A2 are greatly over estimated" . Obviously, some Russian fantasy world lovers believe that their hope can realized beyond the physics. Russian technological inferiority, specially about core science related with chemistry and material science, is the real and main point behind all the Russian weapon vs US weapons discussions. Just simple, Russian technology and science is declining in its quality and quantity, since all smart Russians try to escape their nation, and their economy cannot support such expensive projects. 1960s and 1970s were the good days of Russian science. Let's see, and let's observe how Armata looks like. But if someone expect Armata as an ultimate doomsday weapon which can beat M1A2 SEP v2 and Leo 2A7 like a cake, I will not convinced about that. Edited February 21, 2015 by exsonic01 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee_Vincent Posted February 21, 2015 Author Share Posted February 21, 2015 Iran has something much better, details to follow one day. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTR Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 I can guarantee that I'm better than some Russian fanboys, who are living in the dream world like "m829a4 cannot penetrate t90am since t90am have 800mm+ KE defense without ERA" , or "T90am's shells can penetrate M1A2 front armor at any circumstances". "M1A2 are greatly over estimated" . Obviously, some Russian fantasy world lovers believe that their hope can realized beyond the physics. Russian technological inferiority, specially about core science related with chemistry and material science, is the real and main point behind all the Russian weapon vs US weapons discussions. Just simple, Russian technology and science is declining in its quality and quantity, since all smart Russians try to escape their nation, and their economy cannot support such expensive projects. 1960s and 1970s were the good days of Russian science. Let's see, and let's observe how Armata looks like. But if someone expect Armata as an ultimate doomsday weapon which can beat M1A2 SEP v2 and Leo 2A7 like a cake, I will not convinced about that. Aha, let us know more. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAZ NZ Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 If Russia do not deliver on this tank it will make them look at bit meh lol They kinda dont need that look right now. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GAZ NZ Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Also one thing to note with any source where it says "experts say" it means it could be anyone saying this. Unless someone puts there name to it to back the validity up its likely rubbish. This goes for all media and news items. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzersaurkrautwerfer Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Aha, let us know more. Dunno. There's equal evidence the Armata's armor is made from only the finest cheeses, and it is armed with phased plasma cannons. When we see it we can all talk about it, but right now? Thing might actually be a battlemech for all we actually know about it. If Russia do not deliver on this tankit will make them look at bit meh lolThey kinda dont need that look right now. Something will show up to the parade. It's just a question of it it's: 1. An operational vehicle 2. Actually the final model of the Armata or a prototype 3. Is actually connected to Aramata at all (so say, a super-sexy plywoodium turret over a dressed up T-90 hull built explicitly to show an "Armata" at the parade, while option two would be one of the actual prototypes) 4. It's not going to be covered from skirt to commander's MGs in tarps for secrecy's sake. We're too close to the release date for out and out nothing to show up, unless this is just part of a Putinplot to rage-fire the current generation of tank designers and production companies for incompetence and start anew. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Destraex1 Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Reminds me of the Israeli Chariot - Merkava - in looks at least. I wonder if it includes the ability for Luke Skywalker to switch off his targetting computer. i.e. From Robot to manned turret. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted February 21, 2015 Share Posted February 21, 2015 Sure, we can mock the Russians for their blister but lets remember the US's ability to stay on-time, on-budget and within spec is not exactly sterling either. There's supposedly an *M1A3* out there somewhere that weighs tens tons less than M1A2. Theoretically to be fielded within CMBS timeframe though not so much as a notional drawing of the thing has appeared in public. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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