LongLeftFlank Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 Elevate the road? You wouldn't get all-round cover, but better than nothing. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vein Posted January 13, 2011 Share Posted January 13, 2011 It's a shame that deformation trenches are such a drain, but I think above ground foxholes and trenches could work quite well. Here's a few examples of foxholes that work graphically as 'above ground' (if the WW2 guy is the second pic is kneeling that is). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Looking at them, my guess is that the optimum mod solution will lie in making the interior of the hole blend in better so the whole thing looks less like a Oligocene prairie dog town. Otherwise, I look forward to Kitty's Präriehundtruppen. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottie Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 It's a shame that deformation trenches are such a drain, but I think above ground foxholes and trenches could work quite well. Here's a few examples of foxholes that work graphically as 'above ground' (if the WW2 guy is the second pic is kneeling that is). good argument , good comparison. Agree its a shame losing trenches , they did work pretty well. Some of the AAR screen shoot on trenches dont quiet look as good as your comparison here but its still a good argument for the above ground method as far as aesthetics are concerned. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kulik Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 I was one of those who pushed hard on these forums to have FOW affecting fortifications no matter the visual cost. ...and im f*cking proud on it! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan/california Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 That picture of the hole in the mud just looks beyond miserable, the actual photograph that is. I mean really. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 And those poor bastards don't get any royalties from their misery being posted on probably a couple hundred thousand websites! I think someone should figure out who they are and send them a really nice cake or somefink! Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vein Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Re the pimply foxholes: perhaps not making them round would get away from the pimple/mole-hill look. I cobbled these up over lunch time as an example. And a quick mock-up: Even if you didn't want to use sandbags for some reason a square earth mound is perhaps more man-made looking than a round one. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YankeeDog Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 'Tis true that many images I've seen of WWII foxholes are of more a square/rectangular in shape, than a circular one. And IIRC, a U.S. Army "by the book" MG pit was actually supposed to be sort of a "U" shape, with the open end of the "U" facing the enemy, so that the MG could be placed in the middle, and the soldiers could move around the "U" to retarget, as necessary. Representing foxholes as more angular dug-outs might make them appear a little more like something engineered and dug by human hands, rather than "earth pimples," or giant gopher holes. Regardless, though, I heartily approve of the decision to go with FOW-compliant foxholes and trenches, regardless of the visual compromises. Cheers, YD 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiggum Posted January 14, 2011 Author Share Posted January 14, 2011 That looks great Vein ! The current ingame foxholes look just odd... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vein Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Dan said this in the German DAR thread regarding the foxholes: 'They are just place holders guys... I'm not sure we can do a hell of a lot with them, but I'll be looking at them shortly.' So I'm sure he'll come up with something good. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanzfeld Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 It was also brought up that they would benefit from being "auto-leveled". In the pic with the foxholes and tank in the German DAR you can see a foxhole at quite the odd angle due to the slope. Like YD said I really dont care how they look as I want to very much thank BFC for giving us FOW foxholes and trenches. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panzermartin Posted January 14, 2011 Share Posted January 14, 2011 Imho, foxholes should remain round, to visually seperate them from trenches. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 Googling "foxholes" brought up many images. I found this one arresting as it is the spitting image of what BN is replicating: http://img206.imageshack.us/i/bulge01rj1.jpg/sr=1 Those were somewhat atypical though. A representation of a more ideal type of dug in fighting position was this two man foxhole: http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/ref/FM/FM7-10/img/FM7-10-37.jpg This would take time to develop though and I doubt that it was exactly common, especially among armies on the move. Troops just digging in to spend the night were much more likely to come up with something like this: http://www.oorlogsmusea.nl/upload/2485090909162948.JPG Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongLeftFlank Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 A representation of a more ideal type of dug in fighting position was this two man foxhole: Watch that water table! Hillsides only. And where's your "grenade sump" in case a potato masher comes in, soldier?! Oh, and I want a "sound powered telephone!" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted January 15, 2011 Share Posted January 15, 2011 And where's your "grenade sump" in case a potato masher comes in, soldier?! I assume that's where the guy on the right is resting his feet. Admittedly not the best layout for one... Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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