noxnoctum Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 Couldn't find this info in the manual. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomm Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 Please go to: http://www.battlefront.com/community/showthread.php?t=88964 First post says 3 min in CM:SF, 1 min in reality. Heated discussion followed ... Best regards, Thomm 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 Patch v1.21 is out there somewhere being eworked on. No telling what will happen to this issue in the patch. No telling at all 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted September 27, 2009 Share Posted September 27, 2009 We are definitely adjusting the times, however the AT-14 will still be a bit longer to set up than the rest. The reason is that it has thermal optics, which require at least 30 seconds to cool before they can be used. At least that's the guess we're making now because we haven't seen a cooling time listed for the AT-14. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noxnoctum Posted September 27, 2009 Author Share Posted September 27, 2009 On a related note, can a Kornet not be set up inside a house (looking out through a window)? I don't see a "deploy weapon" button available. Or does it just set up automatically when idle and targeting a vehicle? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Kornet doesn't have a "soft launch" capability. Without that the crew would likely be incapacitated (or killed) due to the concussion from firing within a contained space. Even if they were just rattled, it would mean being unable to guide the missile. Obviously that's not a good thing It's one of the additional advantages of the Javelin. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 BTW, here is some At around 4:16 there is a speeded up setup sequence. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
noxnoctum Posted September 28, 2009 Author Share Posted September 28, 2009 Can I fire it off a balcony? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 In it video to be said that time of expansion of installation less than 1 minute, can also lies, but besides not 3 minutes. And still by the way to be said that there are two types of rockets cumulative and fuel-air explosive. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Something fires a fuel-air warhead in the game but I can't recall what off the top of my head. Might be one of the latest-generation RPG-7 rounds used by special forces. I haven't seen a marked difference in-game, except its useless against tanks and sucks as HE when used in the open. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Alex, I'm sure an experienced crew can set it up in 1 minute. The question is how long does it take for the thermals to cool down? We're 99% sure this is required but we do not know the details. Do you have any information about this? MikeyD, We have thermobaric RPG rounds in the game. We do not have any ATGM thermobarics as far as I can recall. Syria would be unlikely to spend the money on them IMHO. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sfhand Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Is the thermobaric explosion graphically different than an he explosion in game, i.e. can the player tell which type of round has been used by watching the explosion? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cool breeze Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Its a bigger explosion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 2 Steve I would like to know ;-) I no longer insist that set up time for KORNET ATMG must take place for 1 minute or less. To the question about thermobarics ammunitions, a long ago did want to ask, and why did not you add to the game of RPO-A "Shmel" disposable thermobaric grenade launcher? Although I do not have information about that, whether there is a similar weapon at Syria, but also reverse to assert it is probably impossible... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 I had to look up that weapon in wikipedia. It says Shmel is fielded in Russia, China, Sri Lanka, and Lebanon. That's an odd assortmet of countries! I suppose Sri Lanka and Lebanon, they aren't exactly talking government forces. Oh, I forgot - doesn't the Marine SMAW use a thermobaric round in the game too? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 I also met little information about the use of RPO-A "Shmel" in the armies of the different states, that very strange, in fact to this very powerful weapon of infantry already there are more than 20 years. reference on RPO-A "Shmel" of http://www.world.guns.ru/grenade/gl46-e.htm yes SWAM have termobaric round too 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lomir Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 AT-14 / 9K135 Kornet Launcher weight, kg 26 Thermal sight weight, kg 11 Guidance system semiautomatic laser beam riding Missile weight (with container), kg 29 Sources: http://warfare.ru or http://issuu.com/ufobject/docs/russian_weapons_catalog A firing unit consisting of launcher, thermal sight and a single missile container weigh 65 kg and can be installed and ready for action in 3 minutes, operated by 3 men. Source: http://www.defense-update.com/products/k/kornet-e.htm In its basic form, the Kornet missile is fired from a tripod-mounted single-round firing post designated the 9P163-1. The manufacturer and supplier of the AT-14 Kornet (KBP Instrument Design Bureau) for Syria says nothing, of course http://www.kbptula.ru/eng/atgw/kornet.htm The AT-14 Kornet thermal sight is designated KORNET-TP or 1PN80. The manufacturer is the Research and Production Association-State Institute of Applied Optics (NPO GIPO). Source with some technical information, but not the cooling time for the thermal imager: http://milparade.udm.ru/18/42-45.htm So the only source I've found, says it takes 3 minutes to deploy an AT-14 Kornet. And for all this kind of wire-guided weapons, remember that the tripod must be more or less level for effective operation. If the tripod is not level, lateral (azimuth) movement produces a change in the elevation angle of the launch tube (the same principle works for the tank's gun when in a slope), so acquiring and tracking the target may be difficult. Probably there are some kind of level indicators with a bubble in the tripod legs for adjusting to the ideal firing position, and this operation takes some time. In a training range, I believe the tripod is previously prepared for not having to adjust a single leg... One minute afterwards and there it goes the missile! Cheers, Lomir 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dima Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 2 Steve I would like to know ;-) I no longer insist that set up time for KORNET ATMG must take place for 1 minute or less. To the question about thermobarics ammunitions, a long ago did want to ask, and why did not you add to the game of RPO-A "Shmel" disposable thermobaric grenade launcher? Although I do not have information about that, whether there is a similar weapon at Syria, but also reverse to assert it is probably impossible... Alex, this thing is, what practical value would it bring over good old RPG-7? We don't know if Syria has it or not and in reality would solders want to carry a disposable one-shot Shmel when they could instead get RPG-7 with thermobaric warhead and some anti-tank warheads? Sure, it is a cool thing, but really, it's like LAW or AT4. One shot and it's over. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apocal Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Is the thermobaric explosion graphically different than an he explosion in game, i.e. can the player tell which type of round has been used by watching the explosion? You know by the fact that everyone in the building goes flying backwards about five feet. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyD Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Ah, I did not know that! I did lobby for increasing flash & dust for thermobaric explosions. But I'm just not observant enough to take note of slightly more flash & dust from RPG hits. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Palladium Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 That would be the RPG-29, nisi fallor.* I could be wrong, though. By the way, greetings to all! I picked up CM:SF for $5 in a bargain bin (shameful really, but very lucky) about two years ago and realized it was the realistic military game I'd waited years for. I've lurked in this forum off-and-on since, until recently when I purchased the two modules. *'If I'm not mistaken,' as the Latin has it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 2 Dima I remember we discussed this question already. I want only to remind that RPO Shmel is much more powerful, than TBG-7V and TBG-29V, and maximal distance of firing for RPO Shmel of 800m (aiming 600m) against 150m and 500m accordingly. In general your preconceived attitude is not clear me toward non-permanent grenade launchers, they have undeniable advantages in mobility and simplicity of the use. For example I am very disordered by impossibility freely to use the grenade launcher of RPG-18 the Syrian army in a game. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battlefront.com Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 Welcome Palladium. And thanks for yet another confirmation that our bargain bin prone retail partners have helped us gain some Module sales The Syrians likely have a small number of RPG-18s. Enough to equip certain types of units only. The Blue Forces, by contrast, give them out like cigarettes. Steve 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Posted September 29, 2009 Share Posted September 29, 2009 2 Steve Sorry to curiosity, but from where such information? I heard just quite reverse about RPG-18. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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