Kurtz Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 Yes, Syria have used Panzer IVs! Thought you´d like to know. A 75/L48 should definitely be able to KO a Stryker! Apparently they last saw use in the Six-Day war in 1967. And by that time they were used as pillboxes on the Golan heights. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pzman Posted October 16, 2005 Share Posted October 16, 2005 I don't think we'll see those in CMSF somehow. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SgtMuhammed Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 And the Israeli's used ME109's against Egyptian Spitfires in the '48 war. Go figure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoat Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 The Isrealis also used Shermans right up through the Yom Kippur War. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 I may have my wars confused, but I think the last time the Syrians fielded Mk. IVs was in the '67 war. And then only as dug-in pillboxes along the top of the Golan escarpment. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juan_gigante Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Hold up - they dug in Pz IV's? Putting them hull-down? Are these the same Panzer IVs that have turret armor thinner than corrugated cardboard? I take extra-special care NEVER to have my Pz IVs hull-down so that the weak turret armor is less likely to get hit. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shmavis Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Yes, and I believe that was the last time they were in combat. The Arabs involved in the Arab-Israeli wars never exactly distinguished themselves in the use of AFVs...at least, not in a good way. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Yeah, in the '73 war they lost a whole regiment of T-62s trying to cross the AT ditch. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Originally posted by Kurtz: Apparently they last saw use in the Six-Day war in 1967. And by that time they were used as pillboxes on the Golan heights. Originally posted by Michael Emrys: I may have my wars confused, but I think the last time the Syrians fielded Mk. IVs was in the '67 war. And then only as dug-in pillboxes along the top of the Golan escarpment. Michael Sometimes, Mike, you should read the other posts before replying! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Originally posted by Michael Emrys: Yeah, in the '73 war they lost a whole regiment of T-62s trying to cross the AT ditch. Michael That AT ditch never knew what hit it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMC Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 I think we could get away with a scenario in which the Stykers attack a Syrian barracks that still has a Pz IV hanger queen laying around. BFC need to put the Panzer IV in there just for that possibility. It'll cut down on the WWII module development time. Honest. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Originally posted by Sergei: Sometimes, Mike, you should read the other posts before replying!Hmmm, this doesn't seem to be my day. Maybe this cold is worse than I thought it was. Michael 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DASman Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 I know a guy in Texas retired from the Army after Desert Storm. He swears that the Iraqi Army used at least 1 Panzer IV against his unit. He said he cried when he issued the fire order that destroyed it. I have no concrete evidence that the story is true. But heck, I believed him. E 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightningWar Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Originally posted by sgtgoody (esq): And the Israeli's used ME109's against Egyptian Spitfires in the '48 war. Go figure. Kind of ironic if you think. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightningWar Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Originally posted by Michael Emrys: Yeah, in the '73 war they lost a whole regiment of T-62s trying to cross the AT ditch. Michael Brilliant 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 17, 2005 Share Posted October 17, 2005 Originally posted by LightningWar: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Michael Emrys: Yeah, in the '73 war they lost a whole regiment of T-62s trying to cross the AT ditch. Michael Brilliant </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kurtz Posted October 19, 2005 Author Share Posted October 19, 2005 Apparently, not only German tanks ended up in Syria, nasty Germans found their way there as well. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dillweed Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Originally posted by Michael Emrys: Yeah, in the '73 war they lost a whole regiment of T-62s trying to cross the AT ditch. Michael So those actually work? I had read some (german I believe) civilian from WW2 say that for all the work they did digging AT ditches she never saw a tank get stuck in one... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergei Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Originally posted by Dillweed: So those actually work? I had read some (german I believe) civilian from WW2 say that for all the work they did digging AT ditches she never saw a tank get stuck in one... Possibly because, unless the tankers were Syrian, they didn't try to cross them without the help of engineers. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Originally posted by Kurtz: Apparently, not only German tanks ended up in Syria, nasty Germans found their way there as well. There is the reason why we fight together as a world community and invade Syria. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoat Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Originally posted by Dillweed: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Michael Emrys: Yeah, in the '73 war they lost a whole regiment of T-62s trying to cross the AT ditch. Michael So those actually work? I had read some (german I believe) civilian from WW2 say that for all the work they did digging AT ditches she never saw a tank get stuck in one... </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Emrys Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Originally posted by Dillweed: </font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Michael Emrys: Yeah, in the '73 war they lost a whole regiment of T-62s trying to cross the AT ditch. Michael So those actually work? I had read some (german I believe) civilian from WW2 say that for all the work they did digging AT ditches she never saw a tank get stuck in one... </font> 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoat Posted October 19, 2005 Share Posted October 19, 2005 Syrian armor that didn't survive the ditch. Note the temporary bridge, and the breach openned up after the area had been secured. I particularly like the dislodged bogey on the lower most tank. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunnergoz Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 What's with most of the turrets being reversed 180 degrees to the rear? Anyone venture an (intelligent) guess? Or know for sure? (Post retreat jokes in the GF please.) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stoat Posted October 20, 2005 Share Posted October 20, 2005 I can only guess, but here goes; 1. It has something to do with the tanks having been caught in the flank, such as at strongpoint 109 2. The photo was staged, perhaps after Isreal regained the cease-fire line. Like I said, those are just guesses, and they don't explain everything seen in the photo. Also, I don't know where the photo was taken. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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